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Help Wanted

Who wants to make some magazines with me? Plus there’s other fun stuff to do, like work on websites, support other departments and, yes, play with cars.

No, don’t worry: I’m not leaving. However, I do know enough history and biology to realize that I won’t live forever. I’m not the Highlander, haven’t found the fountain of youth and, although I grew up on a steady diet of “Barney Miller” episodes, am not related to Abe Vigoda.

No one here in the editorial department is leaving, either. We have a great crew, and it’s a treat to work with them.

But reality says that at some point I need to delegate more off my plate–so I can, you know, take some vacation time. Or go ride my bike. Or play my guitars. Or, crazy thought, do more car stuff.

So we’re looking to add another person to the editorial department. Primary duties would including writing about cars, proofing stories about cars, copy editing pieces about cars, looking up facts about cars, taking photos of cars and, in short, helping make magazines and web content about cars. If you like cars, it’s a pretty sweet deal.

Before someone asks, yes, it’s an in-house position. I want this new person fully immersed in our corporate culture. Be here and be part of our team: savor the beauty that includes the local Chinese buffet, hurricane season and Tuesday morning staff meetings.

I’m looking for someone who’s willing to commit for the long haul. As it has for several of us here, this could be a lifetime home.

Okay, some specifics for my ideal candidate:

Knows Communication: I’m not just looking for someone who can use their tongue prettier than a 20 dollar whore–and bonus points if you know where that reference comes from. I would like to find someone who can engage, entertain and educate, whether the venue is 140 characters or 3000 words.

Do you know the difference between a colon and a semi-colon? Love meeting deadlines, even if you’re tired and cranky? If yes, yes and yes, then you’re getting warmer.

Knows News: To be effective in this biz, you need to have a nose for news. Some people excel at this, and you can see it in their Twitter and Snapchat feeds. They know that it’s not about them, it’s about their audience. Put your audience first, and the rest will fall into place.

Knows Cars: As you have probably noticed, we’re all about sports cars and, I admit, that’s a fairly broad topic. Not sure what’s so special about a 1974 Camaro or a 1998 Miata? Don’t worry, we’re not going to make fun of you–but you should be well aware of the larger story of how those two model lines have evolved and shaped our scene. (Spoiler alert: The 1974 Camaro was the only year to feature the new-for-1974 sugar scoop headlights but not the wrap-around rear glass introduced a year later; as for the 1998 Miata, we’ll let you Google that one.)

And while sports cars are our thing, we don’t disrespect others genres–even low riders and stance cars. There’s no room for haters here in our world.

Knows Our Scene: What’s our favorite club, group or sanctioning body? All of them. Sound like a copout answer? It‘s not: If people are having fun at their events, then it’s a win. If you think that autocross is pointless or that LeMons is crap, well, this might not be the place for you. (Okay, true, even the people at LeMons will call their own events crap, but you know what I mean.)

Knows Us: Call this one a little advice for anyone applying for any job: Know the people seated across table. Learn something about their history. Be familiar with the products and services that they offer. Do they produce just one magazine or more than that? Do they host events? What else can be learned in, like, 5 minutes of research?

As we say here at the office, act like you give a shit. Yes, I know, it’s a swear word, but that’s the official saying. (And when it comes to four-letter words, we’ve got impressive vocabularies. Sorry, Mom.)

Knows Manners: Home training goes a long way and, to be honest, we prefer working with people who represent us well. Please and thank you can take you far in this world.

Likewise, here’s another one of those handy life lessons, and this comes courtesy of J.G.: Prop up the rest of your team, and as a group you’ll go far. And who will be supporting you? Easy, the rest of your team.

Knows How to Follow Directions: When you’re installing that new turbo system, you gotta follow directions. Before you drop me a note, head to our company employment page. You’ll find all of the application details there.

Thanks for reading, and I’m excited to see where this goes.

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JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 MegaDork
2/1/17 10:44 a.m.

David,
What are the instructions for downloading your new App?
I ask because I know that this help wanted ad is the subject of your current column in the newest issue.

PS: on the GRM website I can easily find links to your Newsletter as well as FB and Twitter but I see no link to "download our app"

PSS: maybe that is because you are short staffed and need to bring on some additional help, ha.

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
2/1/17 10:53 a.m.

Semi colons don't get cancer.

Good luck with the search, if I was more of a cunning linguist, I'd throw my hat into the ring.

I hope G-Body Man steps forward.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
2/1/17 11:04 a.m.

Oooh, someone like Lesley would be awesome for this. Anyway, I've shared it to faceballs, hopefully you can find a great addition to the crew.

Ed Higginbotham
Ed Higginbotham Associate Editor
2/1/17 11:22 a.m.

In reply to JohnRW1621:

To get the new app, search the app store for Grassroots Motorsports and download it. Then you just sign in with your email address and zip code.

The reason a call-to-action isn't on the site at launch is because there is no browser-based version for the new app, but all subscripers were sent an email with login instructions. But because of your feedback I think we could do with another news item with instructions. Thanks.

gearheadmb
gearheadmb Dork
2/1/17 11:31 a.m.

Sounds like an awesome job. I can't relocate, don't keep up with the news, have a terrible attitude, and am only somewhat literate, but I use; a ton; of semicolons; and I think I would be perfect fit. When can I start?

paranoid_android74
paranoid_android74 SuperDork
2/1/17 11:38 a.m.

It sounds like a dream job for me, but relocating is a sticking point for me.

And I'm not terribly photogenic.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
2/1/17 12:21 p.m.

I am presently eligible for retirement from my current position, and I could pay off my mortgage by selling all of my snow removal equipment on Craigslist. Were it not for a delightful eight year old who is firmly entrenched in an outstanding school system, I'd be at your door and pestering you until the local sheriff (possibly my cousin) was asking me to leave, with nothing but a Taser between us.

WildScotsRacing
WildScotsRacing Dork
2/1/17 12:38 p.m.

Spoken by Taggert in Blazing Saddles Twenty Dollar Whore

What do I win?

Duke
Duke MegaDork
2/1/17 12:43 p.m.

I nominate Wally.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Associate Editor
2/1/17 12:45 p.m.
Woody wrote: I am presently eligible for retirement from my current position, and I could pay off my mortgage by selling all of my snow removal equipment on Craigslist. Were it not for a delightful eight year old who is firmly entrenched in an outstanding school system, I'd be at your door and pestering you until the local sheriff (possibly my cousin) was asking me to leave, with nothing but a Taser between us.

For what it's worth, most of us live in the next town north of Holly Hill, which is Ormond Beach. It boasts a great school system and is, at least in our opinion, a very nice place to live.

Ransom
Ransom PowerDork
2/1/17 12:48 p.m.

Another person uselessly observing that relocation makes it a nonstarter. Please take that to mean that you guys are awesome enough that something like this is compelling to a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't be lamenting the inability to move to Ormond Beach or thereabouts. That is, I mean it as a compliment, not a whine. :)

LostJeepGuy
LostJeepGuy New Reader
2/1/17 12:52 p.m.

Mazduece and his witty, inspirational, delusional and purely awesome talents would fit in here... With or without application. He should be considered as a remote contributor lol

T.J.
T.J. UltimaDork
2/1/17 1:06 p.m.

Good luck and here's hoping you find the right person for the position. A great opportunity for the right person.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/1/17 1:12 p.m.
LostJeepGuy wrote: Mazduece and his witty, inspirational, delusional and purely awesome talents would fit in here... With or without application. He should be considered as a remote contributor lol

Mazdeuce is firmly entrenched as the support staff to his own little enterprise here in Texas. He also writes in the third person, which is weird.
In all seriousness, I'm not sure I have the chops to write in a non-interactive environemnt. Sitting down at a computer and writing for a job is much harder than stacking boxes of hydraulic lifters for entertainment.
I'm stopping by GRM world headquarters this spring and I'll bring a resume, just in case.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Associate Editor
2/1/17 1:30 p.m.

It's actually surprisingly similar–the main thing is passion and give-a-E36 M3. We fake the rest.

Rumnhammer
Rumnhammer Reader
2/1/17 1:34 p.m.

Wow, I might have to look into this....relocating is what prevented me from going to work for Flying Miata, but that is because they are not in Florida. I want very much to move to Florida! Already in the automotive industry, but this part is not as fun as what you describe. Been a Subscriber to GRM since 1991 and Classic since it started, and there was no 98 Miata, at least not in the states. I already knew that since I've owned a 94 R package since new and it is highly modded all of which I've done myself. I'll have to show this thread to the wife and see what she thinks.

Chris Rummel

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/1/17 1:43 p.m.
Tom Suddard wrote: It's actually surprisingly similar–the main thing is passion and give-a-E36 M3. We fake the rest.

That sounds surprisingly like parenting. Ask your dad, he knows what I mean.

Best of luck in your hunt. You guys ever need magazine filler with a touch of whimsy, you know where to find me.

KyAllroad
KyAllroad UberDork
2/1/17 1:50 p.m.

If only I weren't still 15 years from retirement. Had the writing skill. And most likely a host of other reasons.....

But moving to florida sounds nice. Messing about with cars is fun.

Probably the biggest selling point is the fame and fortune that comes with being in the public eye! Does the GRM staff arrive at work in stretch limos? Do they sip chardonnay during their breaks? Is the company washroom fit for royal visitors?

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
2/1/17 2:11 p.m.

Also, as for the ability to use my tongue prettier than a $20 whore, please see my references, specifically Amy.

T.J.
T.J. UltimaDork
2/1/17 2:25 p.m.
captdownshift wrote: Also, as for the ability to use my tongue prettier than a $20 whore, please see my references, specifically Amy.

I'm not clear how the fact that Amy knows how to use her tongue means anything about how well you can use yours...

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
2/1/17 2:39 p.m.

In reply to T.J.:

you get discounts if you service them as well, or well...they'll at least stamp your club card twice.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
2/1/17 2:54 p.m.

Hmmmm

Willing to relocate, journalism degree, nearly a decade as a Tech Writer, with track experience on 2 and 4 wheels, engine swaps, etc.

Intriguing.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/1/17 2:55 p.m.
T.J. wrote:
captdownshift wrote: Also, as for the ability to use my tongue prettier than a $20 whore, please see my references, specifically Amy.

I'm not clear how the fact that Amy knows how to use her tongue means anything about how well you can use yours...

I'm 99% certain when the ad above said "Knows Us" this is exactly what they were taking about.

Wall-e
Wall-e MegaDork
2/1/17 3:18 p.m.

In reply to Woody:

If tasers are like the stun gun some friends and I made if you build up a bit of adrenaline the first shot doesn't hurt too much but if they have a second it stings something fierce. I'd certainly take it over another high velocity potato to the back.

In reply to Duke:

I'd hate to give up this frigid weather and high taxes for year round sunshine.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill UltimaDork
2/1/17 3:33 p.m.
Duke wrote: I nominate Wally.

I second that nomination.

Doc Brown
Doc Brown Dork
2/1/17 5:40 p.m.

Man, I would love to work for GRM! If 'ya ever need a person that builds crazy stuff..... I'm that guy:

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy PowerDork
2/1/17 6:08 p.m.

I'm in just for the Chinese buffet.

grover
grover New Reader
2/1/17 6:18 p.m.

I had to google Holly Hill and my wife is from Deland, I had no idea it was between daytona and ormond- best of luck with finding a new employee

minivan_racer
minivan_racer UltraDork
2/1/17 6:18 p.m.

I know cars, 1 out of 7 ain't bad right?

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/1/17 6:28 p.m.
spitfirebill wrote:
Duke wrote: I nominate Wally.

I second that nomination.

His bus of the month column would be epic.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
2/1/17 7:42 p.m.

If only my boat were finished, I would be there! Sunshine, sailing to the Bahamas for vacation, and even those pesky hurricanes. Sounds like paradise to me.

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy PowerDork
2/1/17 8:51 p.m.

I was actually considering a career change. Moving my kid out of middle school is giving me pause in terms of applying, though.

bigev007
bigev007 Reader
2/2/17 1:48 p.m.

As someone who has been writing for car sites for a couple years and is trying to advance his career in that direction, this is very much up my alley. Unfortunately, I doubt that it would qualify me to get a work visa. If you ever open up a Great White North branch...

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
2/2/17 1:53 p.m.

In reply to bigev007:

كنت غرامة طويلة كما كنت غير قادر على قراءة هذا.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
2/2/17 2:30 p.m.

I have a bad feeling about this new addition to the team. Spontaneous Combustion. Gardening Accidents.

bigev007
bigev007 Reader
2/2/17 3:02 p.m.
captdownshift wrote: In reply to bigev007: كنت غرامة طويلة كما كنت غير قادر على قراءة هذا.

Of course I can't read...I mean, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Wall-e
Wall-e MegaDork
2/2/17 4:37 p.m.
mazdeuce wrote:
spitfirebill wrote:
Duke wrote: I nominate Wally.

I second that nomination.

His bus of the month column would be epic.

They're expensive, have powerful turbocharged engines mounted out back, and pick up women everywhere. It's like a 40 foot Porsche but harder to spin.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
2/2/17 4:40 p.m.
mad_machine wrote: If only my boat were finished, I would be there! Sunshine, sailing to the Bahamas for vacation, and even those pesky hurricanes. Sounds like paradise to me.

Think how much easier it would be to finish the boat in the Florida weather!

Besides, you could park it on your property and none of your neighbors in Florida would bat and eye!

:)

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo Mod Squad
2/2/17 5:59 p.m.
spitfirebill wrote:
Duke wrote: I nominate Wally.

I second that nomination.

Thirded.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 MegaDork
2/2/17 6:37 p.m.

Quattroed!

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/2/17 6:39 p.m.
bigev007 wrote: As someone who has been writing for car sites for a couple years and is trying to advance his career in that direction, this is very much up my alley. Unfortunately, I doubt that it would qualify me to get a work visa. If you ever open up a Great White North branch...

Maybe you could be our anchor baby?

TurboFocus
TurboFocus New Reader
2/5/17 3:28 a.m.

If I weren't in the middle of a contract I'd give this a 'what the hell' whirl.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Associate Editor
2/5/17 7:11 a.m.

Hey, give it a whirl either way. Like David's column said, we want to hire somebody for life. This isn't a resume builder or a fun summer gig. This is a career with lots of advancement potential and a company that wants you to stay and be happy.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
2/5/17 7:54 a.m.

Have you considered expanding into New England?

D2W
D2W Reader
2/6/17 7:32 p.m.

No journalistic qualifications, and some days my give a E36 M3 is surprisingly low. Hell, I'm not even a Dork yet, but my 4 letter vocabulary is quite impressive.

Wall-e
Wall-e MegaDork
2/6/17 9:21 p.m.
Woody wrote: Have you considered expanding into New England?

That would make it easier for me to harass the staff.

mndsm
mndsm MegaDork
2/6/17 9:49 p.m.

This is the closest ive been yet to grm, and I still can't make it work. Swmbo is too tied to the mouse right now to get out of Orlando. Plus, readership would probably crater. I would dominate beard growing, so there is that.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/7/17 2:38 p.m.

I made sure a friend and fellow board member was on top of getting an application in, and he is. One might think I'm just looking for an inside line on extra Dork stickers, which I am, but I also think there's the potential for some very good chemistry and hard work.

stroker
stroker SuperDork
2/7/17 8:03 p.m.

The closest I've been to you was Orlando, which I despised. If you can give me a pinkie promise that your location is SO much nicer than Orlando I'll apply and knock your socks off. :)

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/8/17 8:25 a.m.
stroker wrote: The closest I've been to you was Orlando, which I despised. If you can give me a pinkie promise that your location is SO much nicer than Orlando I'll apply and knock your socks off. :)

It is--or at least, we think so--but begging people to work somewhere is rarely the formula for a mutually fulfilling experience. Florida’s not for everyone... we get that, and we want only happy campers. :)

Margie

The0retical
The0retical Dork
2/8/17 9:14 a.m.
stroker wrote: The closest I've been to you was Orlando, which I despised. If you can give me a pinkie promise that your location is SO much nicer than Orlando I'll apply and knock your socks off. :)

Outside of Daytona Beach proper is awesome. I lived in South Daytona for 5 years and regularly went out to Holly Hill, Ormond Beach, and New Smyrna. As well as the outlying areas.

The pick and pull off ISB kept more than one car running and generally had good rotating stock. After purchasing whatever broke on my crap can that time, I'd go shoot at the range the off-duty sheriffs operate practically across the way.

The best part about Florida is the cities drops off into rural areas in the blink of an eye. That means you can go off road (there's a large number of areas to off-road and camp) or to a track in the middle of nowhere and not worry about NIMBYs disrupting all your fun.

I'm just sorry I'm not in a position to apply. Well, that and my grammatical skills leave quite a bit to be desired.

Edit: You need to revisit Orlando during their beer festival. That might help the perception.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Associate Editor
2/8/17 7:11 p.m.

Downtown Orlando? It's super cool. Everywhere else in a 50 mile radius? Super not cool. Can't stand the sprawl there.

Our little corner of the world is much, much better.

Traum
Traum New Reader
2/8/17 8:12 p.m.

Sigh... this is one of those times when I wish I were still single and available, and therefore able to completely uproot myself and start from scratch again.

Good luck with the talent search, Tom & GRM!

plance1
plance1 SuperDork
2/8/17 9:38 p.m.

I write short, dumb things but I only do it part-time.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
2/8/17 9:58 p.m.
mndsm wrote: This is the closest ive been yet to grm, and I still can't make it work. Swmbo is too tied to the mouse right now to get out of Orlando. Plus, readership would probably crater. I would dominate beard growing, so there is that.

Orlando's not THAT far away. I did that drive just a couple of weeks ago. If I were you, I'd at least talk to the guys. Maybe you only come into the office a couple of times a week. Let them make that decision.

I'm not going to post the usual "I'd totally do it, but reason". I'm pretty sure the constant looming deadlines of print publishing and incessant demands for more articles! would drive me nuts. Takes a special kind of person to deal with that.

mndsm
mndsm MegaDork
2/8/17 10:35 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote:
mndsm wrote: This is the closest ive been yet to grm, and I still can't make it work. Swmbo is too tied to the mouse right now to get out of Orlando. Plus, readership would probably crater. I would dominate beard growing, so there is that.

Orlando's not THAT far away. I did that drive just a couple of weeks ago. If I were you, I'd at least talk to the guys. Maybe you only come into the office a couple of times a week. Let them make that decision.

I'm not going to post the usual "I'd totally do it, but reason". I'm pretty sure the constant looming deadlines of print publishing and incessant demands for more articles! would drive me nuts. Takes a special kind of person to deal with that.

I do like metal music, bmx bikes, buffets, and on more than one occasion have been told I need to write, professionally. I just couldn't hack a 2 hour each direction drive, daily. I'm too old for that E36 M3.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
2/8/17 10:57 p.m.

That's why I said talk to them. Maybe you can only come into the office a few times a week. It's different than someone looking to work out of state. The worst they can do is say no. But they might say yes.

You're further away than MCO is, that was a bit over an hour IIRC.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/9/17 10:28 a.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: I'm not going to post the usual "I'd totally do it, but reason". I'm pretty sure the constant looming deadlines of print publishing and incessant demands for more articles! would drive me nuts. Takes a special kind of person to deal with that.

Keith, you are so, so right. The biggest challenge for us, hiring-wise, is finding people who are not only suited to the constant demand to produce and process a metric E36 M3-ton of words, but who even have it on their radar that this is the thing that we're asking them to do.

Margie

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
2/9/17 12:05 p.m.

In reply to Marjorie Suddard:

It's difficult to find someone that high on the dork scale who is low on the Amy/patio/founder scale.

The_Jed
The_Jed PowerDork
2/9/17 12:35 p.m.

Relevant education and experience? The ability to type and form coherent sentences? Trifles!

What you guys really need is someone who can do muscleups! Because I can totally do muscleups!

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
2/9/17 2:24 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: I'm not going to post the usual "I'd totally do it, but reason". I'm pretty sure the constant looming deadlines of print publishing and incessant demands for more articles! would drive me nuts. Takes a special kind of person to deal with that.

Keith, you are so, so right. The biggest challenge for us, hiring-wise, is finding people who are not only suited to the constant demand to produce and process a metric E36 M3-ton of words, but who even have it on their radar that this is the thing that we're asking them to do.

Margie

Would a private message regarding possible compensation be considered inappropriate? I ask only because there is no point in either party wasting time.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/9/17 2:37 p.m.
z31maniac wrote: Would a private message regarding possible compensation be considered inappropriate? I ask only because there is no point in either party wasting time.

It would be, not only because that's a "how big is a rock" question without seeing your resume, but also because you'd introduce yourself to our possible employment by asking us to waste our time to save yours. Not exactly the message you want to send, and let’s be honest, if you’re on the fence that much, this ain't exactly a get-rich-quick scheme. It's more suited for someone looking to follow their passion, enjoy a high quality of life, and get paid to do what they love to do.

Margie

mtn
mtn MegaDork
2/9/17 3:14 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote:
z31maniac wrote: Would a private message regarding possible compensation be considered inappropriate? I ask only because there is no point in either party wasting time.

It would be, not only because that's a "how big is a rock" question without seeing your resume, but also because you'd introduce yourself to our possible employment by asking us to waste our time to save yours. Not exactly the message you want to send, and let’s be honest, if you’re on the fence that much, this ain't exactly a get-rich-quick scheme. It's more suited for someone looking to follow their passion, enjoy a high quality of life, and get paid to do what they love to do.

Margie

Margie--this may not be the appropriate place for the discussion, but I think that both you and Mr. Maniac raise valid points.

For someone working in large corporations their whole career (Z31), it is a total mystery. Besides that, you say that he's asking you to waste your time to save his... how? Wouldn't that be saving time for both people rather than him preparing his application, you reading it, then interviewing, then discussing salary only to find you're miles apart?
What are you selling as not a get rich scheme--something that you can save the max to the 401k and have enough for reasonable house and to raise 2.3 kids and have 2.28 cars in the driveway? Or something where he has to live in an apartment and can only stash away $10k annually to retirement?

As for the "on the fence" comment, I'm on the fence about every single decision I make, and mostly that is hinged on time and/or money.

I understand that you don't want to show your chips before the hand is dealt, but what about telling him the salary floor if he asks is so bad?

I know this is easy for me to say--someone who has none of the writing ability that is necessary and cannot move to Florida, but as I am always looking at job postings, but not actively looking for a new job, I only consider those positions that have a salary range on the posting. It saves my time--I know I'm not worth $175k a year, but I also know I need more money than I get now to leave the good ship I'm in.

Robbie
Robbie UltraDork
2/9/17 3:41 p.m.

I do think putting a salary number or range out there is too limiting and not the right idea.

There are two sides for both parties, the money and the job or the money and the employee.

It feels quick and easy to make a money fit between two parties first, but if you do that, you often end up making a decision based on money alone (or mostly money), before the job/employee fit is fully evaluated. The value of the transaction for both parties is $/job or $/employee, so making a money decision before knowing the other half of the value equation benefits neither party.

Edit: I think the real issue is that phycologically people tend to stop really evaluating anything else as soon as money is discussed. Salespeople run into this issue all the time.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/9/17 4:02 p.m.
Robbie wrote: I do think putting a salary number or range out there is too limiting and not the right idea. There are two sides for both parties, the money and the job or the money and the employee. It feels quick and easy to make a money fit between two parties first, but if you do that, you often end up making a decision based on money alone (or mostly money), before the job/employee fit is fully evaluated. The *value* of the transaction for both parties is $/job or $/employee, so making a money decision before knowing the other half of the value equation benefits neither party. Edit: I think the real issue is that phycologically people tend to stop really evaluating anything else as soon as money is discussed. Salespeople run into this issue all the time.

This. Also, we really need to evaluate a potential employee's skill set, needed training and ability to immediately contribute before we can determine what he or she is worth to us, so it's not a one-size-fits all range.

The floor’s discouragingly low for someone who's all potential with no immediate deliverables, and I'd hate to discourage that person without even getting a chance to have a conversation. We'd lose the advantage we've always had, which is that we're enthusiasts first.

Margie

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/9/17 4:52 p.m.

I have a friend applying for this job. I won't say who it is because "having mazdeuce vouch for you" can't possibly be helpful.
I just want to say that watching someone follow a dream like this is a very cool thing. The excitement and yearning is real. Even if nothing comes of it, not many of us get the chance to really chase after employment that is so close to our hearts. This isn't just looking for a job, it's a dream, and it's impossible not be excited, for my friend and for all the applicants. Thanks Tom and Margie and all of GRM.

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
2/9/17 7:30 p.m.

The greatest perspective for writing about motosport is involvement. If your job allows you to digest and regurgitate the various tracks events, auto and rallycrosses that you attend for the consumption of others, all while putting a roof over your head and food on the table, what other concern is there? If your career entails heavy involvement in the hobby that you love and presumably spend a large amount of discretionary income on, and suddenly that outlay isn't as nessacary, that concern of financial compensation becomes far less important, as you're getting your fill of what you want to do with your life and leisure time all while on the clock. Honesty it'd have to rank above porn star on the dream job scale, and that's coming from someone who has I heart Amy as their avatar.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
2/10/17 10:57 a.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote:
z31maniac wrote: Would a private message regarding possible compensation be considered inappropriate? I ask only because there is no point in either party wasting time.

It would be, not only because that's a "how big is a rock" question without seeing your resume, but also because you'd introduce yourself to our possible employment by asking us to waste our time to save yours. Not exactly the message you want to send, and let’s be honest, if you’re on the fence that much, this ain't exactly a get-rich-quick scheme. It's more suited for someone looking to follow their passion, enjoy a high quality of life, and get paid to do what they love to do.

Margie

Well I think mtn nailed it. I know writing for a magazine isn't about getting rich, it's more of a "I'd absolutely love to do it, but could I afford it." I don't think that's inappropriate. Let's say you loved XX resume and you do interviews, etc. and then say XXXXX is what we offer and someone goes "Really? I'd love to, but can't afford that." How is that better?

I'm really not trying to be disrespectful, I just don't understand that viewpoint. And like mtn said, that could be because all my experience is with huge corporations where things like salary and benefits are out in the open. Hell you can go to my company website and see my benefits!

But, it's the Suddard's company and you will run it how you see fit and I respect that. Good luck on finding a talented writer to join the staff of my absolutely favorite magazine!

mtn
mtn MegaDork
2/10/17 11:07 a.m.
z31maniac wrote:
Marjorie Suddard wrote:
z31maniac wrote: Would a private message regarding possible compensation be considered inappropriate? I ask only because there is no point in either party wasting time.

It would be, not only because that's a "how big is a rock" question without seeing your resume, but also because you'd introduce yourself to our possible employment by asking us to waste our time to save yours. Not exactly the message you want to send, and let’s be honest, if you’re on the fence that much, this ain't exactly a get-rich-quick scheme. It's more suited for someone looking to follow their passion, enjoy a high quality of life, and get paid to do what they love to do.

Margie

Well I think mtn nailed it. I know writing for a magazine isn't about getting rich, it's more of a "I'd absolutely love to do it, but could I afford it." I don't think that's inappropriate. Let's say you loved XX resume and you do interviews, etc. and then say XXXXX is what we offer and someone goes "Really? I'd love to, but can't afford that." How is that better?

I'm really not trying to be disrespectful, I just don't understand that viewpoint. And like mtn said, that could be because all my experience is with huge corporations where things like salary and benefits are out in the open. Hell you can go to my company website and see my benefits!

But, it's the Suddard's company and you will run it how you see fit and I respect that. Good luck on finding a talented writer to join the staff of my absolutely favorite magazine!

To play it back to Ms. Ruler of all things awesome's point though, she doesn't know your qualifications and doesn't want to scare you with the floor. Maybe you have exactly what they're looking for and won't require much training?

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/10/17 11:11 a.m.

No disrespect taken, and sorry my response to you sounded so harsh. We are a small business in a creative and pretty dynamic environment, so we don't usually use the same kind of pre-sized solutions that a big corporation would be able to easily define. It's more like open casting with a variety of possible roles we could fill.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
2/10/17 11:13 a.m.

This is very true. And I completely understand that.

I'm not familiar with small businesses and I didn't realize things were done so differently vs big corps. So I made a very regrettable faux pas.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
2/10/17 11:14 a.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: No disrespect taken, and sorry my response to you sounded so harsh. We are a small business in a creative and pretty dynamic environment, so we don't usually use the same kind of pre-sized solutions that a big corporation would be able to easily define. It's more like open casting with a variety of possible roles we could fill.

Well if my inappropriate question hasn't soured you too much, I will go ahead and throw my hat into the ring.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
2/10/17 11:19 a.m.
Robbie wrote: I do think putting a salary number or range out there is too limiting and not the right idea. There are two sides for both parties, the money and the job or the money and the employee. It feels quick and easy to make a money fit between two parties first, but if you do that, you often end up making a decision based on money alone (or mostly money), before the job/employee fit is fully evaluated. The *value* of the transaction for both parties is $/job or $/employee, so making a money decision before knowing the other half of the value equation benefits neither party. Edit: I think the real issue is that phycologically people tend to stop really evaluating anything else as soon as money is discussed. Salespeople run into this issue all the time.

See I can agree and disagree with this. On the one hand what I've said before, on the other, the last job I had I applied for because of my qualifications even though the salary range posted was low.

I spoke to the HR lady and she told me they would be willing to move the range up based on the candidate......and they did when they hired me by 5 figures over there advertised top end.

So I see both sides, I really do.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/10/17 11:28 a.m.

IIn reply to z31maniac:

Excellent. And yes, small business is very different. Might as well start you early on that message

racerdave600
racerdave600 SuperDork
2/10/17 12:23 p.m.

Anyone thinking about applying and are on the fence, keep in mind that Marjorie and Tim have very, very long term employees. That's rare for businesses these days, especially small businesses. They must be doing something right.

plance1
plance1 SuperDork
2/10/17 6:08 p.m.

Take names and contact info off resumes, post them and we will vote.

plance1
plance1 SuperDork
2/10/17 6:12 p.m.

You guys pay for all the insurance I will do short term and long-term new car reviews....

Stampie
Stampie Dork
2/10/17 6:21 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: IIn reply to z31maniac: Excellent. And yes, small business is very different. Might as well start you early on that message

As someone that works for a large corporation I'd love to work for a small business where you're allowed to give a E36 M3. Unfortunately I do my best writing with a whiskey in hand so I don't think it'll work out for this situation.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/10/17 6:27 p.m.

I would gladly pay insurance and expenses on cars to be able to do short/long term reviews/projects. That's basically what I do now but I get to eat depreciation too.
I know that this job is essentially about monetizing the car hobby to some extent and I don't really want a job, but I'd love to monetize the absurd amount of time I spend writing about my projects on the forum. I CAN be bought.

plance1
plance1 SuperDork
2/10/17 6:59 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce:

Hey you stole my idea and one upped me lol!!! First thing I'm gonna do when I get hired: ban mazdeuce...

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/10/17 7:13 p.m.

In reply to plance1:

I've actually been trying to figure this out for a while. The biggest liability in 'giving' someone a car for a test or an event like One Lap isn't the cost of the car, it's the liability. You die while driving my car, you wife sues. Bad times are had by all.
But what if I actually buy the car? Accept the liability and insure it myself. Now if I put it into a wall I'm the one who's out the money for the car and I have my own hospital bills. I just want you to buy the car back from me at the end of the year for an agreed upon value in exchange for me spending my regular absurd time playing with/writing about it. I don't need to MAKE money, I just need to not steal from my kids college fund by playing with cars. The question is, how do I convince someone this is a good idea? That's where my plan hits a roadblock.
And anyone is free to steal this idea by the way, clearly I'm not doing anything productive with it.

RevRico
RevRico Dork
2/10/17 7:16 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce:

I think Doug Demuro already had this idea

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/10/17 7:31 p.m.

In reply to RevRico:

Yes, you're probably right. The issue is that you need some amount of fame/journalistic skill to wrangle this sort of thing, but how do you get there? It's kind of like those kids who start in karts at 5 and have parents that support their ascention into racing for years so that by the time someone might pay them about minimum wage to drive at 18 they have had a million or so spent to get there. So ya, I could really spend some time and energy and money trying to prove the concept and develop the skills, or I could just keep drinking coffee and writing forum posts about my own junk for free and let GRM gain from any income that traffic to my innane ramblings might produce. I like that idea best.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
2/10/17 7:32 p.m.
Stampie wrote:
Marjorie Suddard wrote: IIn reply to z31maniac: Excellent. And yes, small business is very different. Might as well start you early on that message

Unfortunately I do my best writing with a whiskey in hand so I don't think it'll work out for this situation.

I have my suspicions this technique is sometimes used by the GRM staff. That's what editors are for

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/10/17 8:16 p.m.

Uh, you hires are the editors. Seriously, I'm going to fix your E36 M3? Nope.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/10/17 8:32 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: Uh, you hires are the editors. Seriously, I'm going to fix your E36 M3? Nope.

And I thought I couldn't love you any more than I already do.
In all honesty, high expectations about quality of work would be encouraging to me. That way you KNOW everyone is pulling their weight.

Vigo
Vigo PowerDork
2/10/17 8:50 p.m.

I more or less gave up on the 'actual factual print magazine job' thing based on my unwillingness to move combined with the coincidence of where I happened to be born and to build all these human connections that a life naturally accumulates.

I'm with Mazdeuce in that i love the thought of others being in a position to pursue this particular 'dream job'. I'm excited for whoever is about to be able to engage their passion at their day job.

Heck, if every student who came through this vocational school was as passionate about cars as the people who are applying for this position probably are, i'd already HAVE my dream job! But while everyone who comes into my class can pass it, not everyone who applies for this job will be selected. Having to pare down a list of talented individuals is probably pretty torturous. When my students flunk out they've truly earned it.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 UltraDork
2/10/17 8:55 p.m.

I'm gonna apply; but, my Twitter brand sucks. Mainly because I don't have one at the moment.

Mental
Mental Mod Squad
2/17/17 12:50 p.m.
RevRico wrote: In reply to mazdeuce: I think Doug Demuro already had this idea

barbarian
barbarian New Reader
2/20/17 10:21 a.m.

Ah, the elusive dream job I should have started in 30 years ago. No matter how much I love cars, racing and travel it has always been something I have paid to do instead of getting paid to do.

stroker
stroker SuperDork
2/21/17 10:40 a.m.

Application deadline?

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/21/17 10:57 a.m.

We'd like to have all the applications in by the end of the first quarter (this year).

Margie

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/21/17 11:26 a.m.

Are you waiting to get them all in before calling people? There are at least a few people sleeping with their phones clutched in their fists hoping for a call from Florida.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/21/17 11:56 a.m.

I've already acknowledged receipt of all the resumes, and after that, yeah, we won't schedule any interviews until after everything is in house. So tell them to relax that grip for a few weeks.

Marge

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
2/21/17 12:19 p.m.

Thanks is for that reassurance. People are calmer. Calmer is good.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
2/21/17 1:07 p.m.

Yes, all is good, peoples. :)

minivan_racer
minivan_racer UltraDork
2/22/17 9:25 a.m.
Mental wrote:
RevRico wrote: In reply to mazdeuce: I think Doug Demuro already had this idea

I love that mental came home from racing with the Baruths and Matt Farah to post a meme on here....

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