What design make the best air intake? | Swap Science

Carl
By Carl Heideman
Nov 26, 2023 | Air Intake | Posted in Shop Work , Drivetrain | From the Nov. 2017 issue | Never miss an article

[Editor's Note: We initially ran this story in the November 2017 issue of Grassroots Motorsports.]

An engine won’t last long without some sort of air supply. And for a cross-pollinated engine swap project like our Miata-powered MGB, the solution isn’t going to come from the catalog.

Until this point in the build, we’ve stayed pretty true to one self-imposed restriction: All of …

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wspohn
wspohn Dork
11/8/17 1:12 p.m.

Very nice project. 

Although you will certainly have your hands full with important mods, if you have any time for appearance, you might give thought to making the engine look more British.

This is the upper plenum of a 3.4 GM engine after I took a belt sander to it, and had one of my MGA Twin Cam cam covers scanned 3 dimensions and then cut into the plenum with computer operated milling machine (it's in a Jamaican rebodied car so doesn't look like an MGA engine bay as much).

And thanks for the very interesting air flow study!

 

dennisg
dennisg New Reader
11/8/17 11:46 p.m.

great article.

I envy the short nose on your supercharger, not wanting its air intake in my driver's compartment I will probably locate the blower forward and drive it from a layshaft .

Hungary Bill
Hungary Bill GRM+ Memberand UberDork
11/9/17 5:07 a.m.

I love these articles.  Because of the spoiler on the Mustang, I ended up with a magnehelic gauge.  Now it looks like I'll be saving pennies for a flow bench laugh

JoeTR6
JoeTR6 HalfDork
11/9/17 7:02 a.m.

The timing of this article couldn't be better for me.  I spent last night staring at an intake manifold wondering how I'm going to feed it air.  After reading this, a heat shield is in the works.  Thanks.

pellingt
pellingt New Reader
11/9/17 10:47 a.m.

The one thing I dont see in the article, is how much cfm's can this engine consume at full throttle.  It seems to be a vital stat.  If you can only consume 300cfm's, then I think anything over that is wasted unless you can drop the temperature.  Other then that, thanks for the great summary article.

FuzzWuzzy
FuzzWuzzy New Reader
11/9/17 11:25 a.m.

I can't wait to see the dyno runs showing any difference.

frenchyd
frenchyd HalfDork
11/9/17 1:55 p.m.

I made my own flow bench too. Like you I used a shop vac and a home made box.  However I didn't go hi tech.  Instead I made my own flow meter using a scaled up copy of a unisyn flow meter ( clear plastic tube and a ping pong ball). 

I hooked it up to various cylinder heads that I had the flow bench numbers on to calibrate it and extrapolated numbers I didn't have.  While it may not have been extremely accurate it helped me on one of my V12 engines.  I got each cylinder to flow exactly the same as every other cylinder and about 35% greater than stock. 

Randy_Forbes
Randy_Forbes New Reader
11/9/17 3:51 p.m.

If it was me__and I wish it was; I have a great love of MGBGTs AND twinscrew compressors__I'd be trying to get an intake/filter rigged into that nice round hole at the back of the engine compartment.  The one that gets fed nice cool air at the base of the windshield.

 

At the very least, utilize that intake, and isolate the filter from the heat in the eng. comp.   I mean, you have all that room...

bigben
bigben Reader
11/9/17 7:43 p.m.
frenchyd said:

I made my own flow bench too. Like you I used a shop vac and a home made box.  However I didn't go hi tech.  Instead I made my own flow meter using a scaled up copy of a unisyn flow meter ( clear plastic tube and a ping pong ball). 

I hooked it up to various cylinder heads that I had the flow bench numbers on to calibrate it and extrapolated numbers I didn't have.  While it may not have been extremely accurate it helped me on one of my V12 engines.  I got each cylinder to flow exactly the same as every other cylinder and about 35% greater than stock. 

That's what I'm talking about! I really enjoyed the article too, but $1k for the sensor and software... Not exactly diy in my book. If all you want to know is which setups flow best there are a lot of simpler and cheaper ways to compare the drop in vacuum. Let's see GRM do a follow up test with a hardware store flow bench on a $100 budget.

classicalgas
classicalgas New Reader
11/9/17 8:28 p.m.

A further complication when trying to use flow bench numbers to make real world decisions is intake duct volume. Since any air  in the ducting has to accelerate (on average, it's pulsed) as the engine accelerates, larger intake volume slows the responsiveness of the engine. Not lots, compared to a lightened flywheel for instance, but the difference in response time between the nearly four feet of  factory intake ducting on a  NA Mata, and  that of a 12" total length system, is noticeable, at least in a naturally aspirated engine.

Then we get to deal with system resonance, which a flow bench wont help us with either.

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