iceracer
iceracer UltimaDork
12/20/18 6:09 p.m.

It,s a crash.

I noticed that my local TV news have pretty much have made the switch.   They even use "collision" sometimes.

Ransom
Ransom PowerDork
12/20/18 6:19 p.m.

stuart in mn
stuart in mn UltimaDork
12/20/18 7:06 p.m.

Nice to hear about a newscast becoming more intelligent for once, rather than less intelligent.

codrus
codrus UltraDork
12/20/18 8:26 p.m.

...except that "no one at fault" isn't what "accident" means.  If you look it up in the dictionary, what "accident" means is "not intentional".  So saying that a non-fatal traffic collision wasn't an accident effectively means that you're saying it was attempted murder.

 

jmthunderbirdturbo
jmthunderbirdturbo HalfDork
12/21/18 12:34 a.m.

Crash's have a cause. Every time. 100% of the time. And 99% of the time, it's an avoidable cause; speed, driver ability, car condition, road condition, alcohol use, drug use, lack of attention, its all a reason, and NONE of that is un-intentional. So, in a way, yes, MOST crashes have a cause that WAS intentional, and therefore, COULD be considered attempted manslaughter, if not attempted murder. 

I have heard about maybe 5 wrecks in my life where I would say, yeah, bad situation, external circumstances, ect, no one involved is at fault. Maybe 5. Probably 2.

-J0N

codrus
codrus UltraDork
12/21/18 2:40 a.m.

Intent to take the action that triggered a particular event does not always equate to intent to trigger the event in question, it depends crucially on the degree to which the resulting event could have been forseen.  Some causes are very predictable (drug use, alcohol), so yes, those are often prosecuted as manslaughter.  Others are less so -- misjudging the safe entry speed on an unposted reducing radius curve, for example.

"fault" and "intent" are not the same thing.  Defining it that way results in the term "accident" being defined out of existence -- essentially every event in our lives is ultimately caused by a human action (or intentional inaction), therefore this equates "accident" to "act of god".  That's not what it means, and it never has been.

Like I tell my kids:  "Just because it's an accident doesn't mean it's not your fault".

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH MegaDork
12/21/18 4:08 a.m.

Technically all crashes are caused by speed, since two stationary objects can't collide with each other. I think of this every time I hear "speed was a factor."

Klayfish
Klayfish PowerDork
12/21/18 5:57 a.m.

If people didn't drive like knuckleheads, I wouldn't have a job....

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett MegaDork
12/21/18 7:18 a.m.
GameboyRMH said:

Technically all crashes are caused by speed, since two stationary objects can't collide with each other. I think of this every time I hear "speed was a factor."

Since most US fuel contains ethanol, you could also state “alcohol was a factor”.

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