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  • Sept. 28, 2010 9:51 p.m. fivedimeracer None

    1985 Fiat X19 Bertone GRM Challenge SCCA NASA project car for sale, Now $400 !!!!!!!!!!!( or $300 without the brand new fuel pump) 1.5 L Fuel Injected, 4 Wheel Disk Brakes, Brand New Fuel Pump, Super Light !!, These can handle like a Go Kart !, clean chassis, engine runs, Come with the classic X19 "tron" wheels. The windshield and frame was removed and car was stripped down to be an SCCA/NASA solo/race car, all the glass removed. With a little work you'd have an autocross rocket with current motor or add turbo or use for V6 engine swap and you'd have serious mid-engine power in a super light-nimble chassis. Will throw in corbeau race seat and racing steering wheel with hub release. See c-list ad below for pictures http://syracuse.craigslist.org/cto/1978552947.html

    fivedimeracer "at" yahoo.com

  • mw

    Sept. 29, 2010 7:06 a.m. mw HalfDork

    Oooh. That's close enough to get. If you still have it in 5 weeks I may come get it.

  • pinchvalve

    Sept. 29, 2010 7:49 a.m. pinchvalve SuperDork

    If you are going to post the obligatory "what if" scenario, I would recommend a Miata swap or Mega-squirted V8 rather than a turbo or V6. This board doesn't do the V6, heck, it's hard to stop at a V8 when there are 12 and 18 cylinder engines out there!

  • 914Driver

    Sept. 29, 2010 7:54 a.m. 914Driver SuperDork

    The 1500 is enough in a 1000 lb. car.

  • Sept. 29, 2010 8:52 a.m. dorri732 New Reader

    'busa

  • racerdave600

    Sept. 29, 2010 10:10 a.m. racerdave600 HalfDork

    I'm glad he's too far away, and I'm sure the wife is too! Back in the mid '90's a friend built a similar car to that. It used a stock 1500 mated to the 4 speed instead of the 5. It was blinding quick even with the stock motor. That car was a ton of fun and he had less than $500 in it. It was always in the hunt for FTD!

  • dansxr2

    Sept. 29, 2010 11:16 a.m. dansxr2 Reader

    theres a guy that did a B16A swap in one.... I can imagine 170 HP in one of these... Ugh...

  • 914Driver

    Sept. 29, 2010 6:09 p.m. 914Driver SuperDork

    Somebody buy this quick.

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  • hrdlydangerous

    Sept. 30, 2010 3:18 p.m. hrdlydangerous Reader

    Paging JThw8.

  • JThw8

    Oct. 3, 2010 9:40 p.m. JThw8 SuperDork

    hrdlydangerous wrote:

    Paging JThw8.

    Got my shop a little full right now but yeah, its tempting. Havent actually played with fiat/yugos for about 5-6 years now.

  • Per Schroeder

    Oct. 4, 2010 6:15 a.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

    My idea for the ultimate Challenge car is one of these w/ some sort of turbo'ed four-cylinder.

  • racerdave600

    Oct. 4, 2010 8:04 a.m. racerdave600 HalfDork

    I've been saying the same thing for a long time, but everyone thinks I'm crazy and it wouldn't be fast enough. Of course someday I'd like to just go to the challenge.

  • Jan. 20, 2011 10:48 p.m. fivedimeracer New Reader

    If anyone wants this car $500 cash and its yours, 2 guys have wanted it and promised to come get it... but I've waited long enough.

    pm me at: fivedimeracer "at" yahoo . com

    Thanks, Joe

  • turboswede

    Jan. 20, 2011 11:14 p.m. turboswede SuperDork

    BTW, the Fiat 1500 axles mate to the Chrysler inner CV joints used on the turbo 2.2/2.5 and Neon/Cloud/PT vehicles.

    The driver's framerail needs to be notched to clear the 5-speed and the usual engine swap stuff gets to be sorted.

    The trick is coming up with decent struts and the control arms need to be stiffened.

    Now, the cars aren't that light, most are about 2200lbs and the race ones struggle to get to 1600-1700lbs. There is a lot of steel in those cars.

  • 914Driver

    Jan. 21, 2011 7:35 a.m. 914Driver SuperDork

    Craigslist said:

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    Can you put photos up here?

  • mw

    Jan. 21, 2011 5:37 p.m. mw HalfDork

    Yeah more info! I must have been interested before.

  • Jan. 21, 2011 9:54 p.m. fivedimeracer New Reader

    Here are some answers to the most common questions I've received. -No, there really are no other suspension or engine mods, removed the muffler as we were going to add a header but never did. - The chassis is in great shape, very little rust anywhere, I think the only spot id patch is a small half dollar sized area in drivers side floor under clutch pedal. The exterior sheet metal, wheel wells, inside the front bonnet(like new) and engine compartment look great. The car has been in a garage out of the elements for 3-4 years. -No title - I believe we still have the center section of dash that contains the original italian gauges, but we do not have the entire dash pad. We generally make an aluminum dash to hold racing gauges.

    The car was being set up to autocross or maybe some day run as an SCCA production car(cage needed). My father and I have run lots of race cars in SCCA and this was a project that we just don't have time for now. We began the process of cleaning, removing all unecessary glass(as you know the windshield and frame are often removed from these for SCCA production racing), headlight motors, interior and then began to get the car to run as it did not when we got it. The fuel pump was the main culprit and the one on it is only 5 months old($150). The cars now runs and sounds strong without the muffler, the standard ignition tumbler is removed and we have begun to wire it to start with a racing style toggle setup. The stock bumpers and the stock seats are now gone, but I've thrown in a decent Corbeau racing seat in their place as well as a racing steering wheel with a quick release hex style hub/extension.

  • Jan. 21, 2011 10:09 p.m. fivedimeracer New Reader

    If someone wants pics, please send me an email. Thanks, Joe

  • vwcorvette

    Jan. 22, 2011 12:12 p.m. vwcorvette Reader

    Joe,

    Pics for sure to:

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    Thanks,

    George

  • Feb. 8, 2011 1:51 a.m. fivedimeracer New Reader

    The perfect Autocross Car !! Or swap candidate for Challange.

    Some one come get....$400.

    Joe Z Syracuse,NY

  • 914Driver

    Feb. 8, 2011 9:14 a.m. 914Driver SuperDork

    My garage has:

    BMW bike

    Gold Wing

    Porsche 914

    Toyota 4-Runner

    Ford Ranger

    Dodge

    Woodstoves

    Parts, bits, chatchkas and tools.

    You're killing me Joe.

  • Feb. 8, 2011 12:05 p.m. spitfirebill Dork

    Too bad you aren't in Atlanta with all the other cars.

  • SVreX

    Feb. 8, 2011 12:30 p.m. SVreX SuperDork

    turboswede wrote:

    BTW, the Fiat 1500 axles mate to the Chrysler inner CV joints used on the turbo 2.2/2.5 and Neon/Cloud/PT vehicles.

    The driver's framerail needs to be notched to clear the 5-speed and the usual engine swap stuff gets to be sorted.

    The trick is coming up with decent struts and the control arms need to be stiffened.

    Now, the cars aren't that light, most are about 2200lbs and the race ones struggle to get to 1600-1700lbs. There is a lot of steel in those cars.

    Really?

    I've got a 16V 2.5 sitting around here.

    Oh, dear...

  • SVreX

    Feb. 8, 2011 12:31 p.m. SVreX SuperDork

    fivedime:

    your CL link no worky

  • MrJoshua

    Feb. 8, 2011 12:35 p.m. MrJoshua SuperDork

    How much power can the Fiat axles and outer CV's take? What does the A-arm that needs to be strengthened look like? (I know-the letter A, duh )

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