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  • Feb. 15, 2009 3:48 p.m. KevinC None

    Hi all,

    I've just registered. I have been lurking for a while an reading all of the good info here. I am looking for a commuter car. I spend 4 hours a day in my car commuting to work. My poor old '87 Accord is getting tired (auto tranny is shifting funny, probably on the way out). I am looking for opinions on the overlooked cars (under appreciated) that get a bad rap but are actually really good cars.

    I don't care what age but would like to stay under $3k. Criteria is that it is a good commuter, comfortable, handles good in winter, reasonable gas mileage (but not the highest priority), 4 door or wagon, reliable (but I can do my own repairs), fun to drive (would be nice), decent aftermarket support (if I want to improve it). I would drive it into the ground (don't care about resale value).

    I would like an enthusiast type vehicle but want good value in the purchase price. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Over the years, I have owned a number of vehicles that have been panned by consumer's guides but have been great reliable cars. But I am not very knowledgeable in any cars past the late 80s. Thanks!

  • P71

    Feb. 15, 2009 4:34 p.m. P71 Dork

    Welcome.

    P71. Just in case you don't know, that's a retired cop car. Go for a 01-02 or an 03-09 (Crown Victoria). They have a punchy little 4.6L V8, bulletproof reliability, decent mileage, and are very comfy. Cheap to buy, cheap to insure, easy to work on. There's a ton of threads here detailing the specific good and bad points so spend some time searching around.

    If a full-size slushbox isn't your cup of tea then we have about a zillion other vehicles to recommend.

  • billy3esq

    Feb. 15, 2009 4:38 p.m. billy3esq Dork

    Ford Focus. You should be able to get an early car for around $3k, either as a sedan or wagon. I'd pony up a little more coin to get an '01 or later, as the '00s had a bunch of issues, although if it's still around and has had the recalls addressed it'll be ok.

    Two key points: you want the Zetec (i.e., not the SPI) engine, and the wagon suspension has limited aftermarket options.

    If it wasn't for your 4-door requirement, I'd recommend the ZX2, which is quite likely the most underrated car of the last 10 years or so.

  • Apexcarver

    Feb. 15, 2009 4:40 p.m. Apexcarver UltraDork

    volvo wagon?

  • dculberson

    Feb. 15, 2009 9:43 p.m. dculberson Reader

    The previous suggestions are all good ones. Also a v6 Nissan Maxima can be had with a 5-speed manual. Seriously fast (for a sedan), reasonably fun, and decent reliability. It's no Honda but it's still pretty reliable. Cheap cheap cheap, for what you get. I've seen '97s for around $3k regularly, cheaper if you hunt. 0-60 in under 7 seconds!

    A Crown Victoria P71 is also nice, and the 2004-2005s regularly sell for $3k at the state police auctions. Well maintained and usually right at 100k miles.

  • jrtech

    Feb. 15, 2009 10:06 p.m. jrtech New Reader

    Mustang. Whatever flavor you like...

    Just to be THAT GUY, that's why.

  • Tommy Suddard

    Feb. 15, 2009 10:21 p.m. Tommy Suddard SonDork

    E28 (80's BMW 5 series). Cheap, great aftermarket, fun to drive, okay mileage.

    Notice something? I didn't say E30 for once!

  • kcbhiw

    Feb. 15, 2009 10:27 p.m. kcbhiw Reader

    The first generation Proteges with the DOHC engine (identical to the Miata 1.8L for all intents and purposes) have proven to be quite fun to drive and hold their own in the handling department. The engine also responds well to the addition of forced induction if you ever decide to go down that road. The same driveline can be found in the re-skinned 91-96 Escort GT (2-door hatch) and Escort LX-E/ Mercury Tracer LTS (4-door).

    30+ MPG isn't rare on these cars and a specimine with no rust and in good shape can certainly be had for less than $3k.

  • 92dxman

    Feb. 16, 2009 12:19 a.m. 92dxman Reader

    Focus is a great choice. SVT suspension kit can be had for dirt cheap! +1 to everything said about the Zx2. One of the funner cars i've ever driven and they can be made to handle for pennies on the dollar. 1st gen Proteges lx's are a blast to drive (I just sold my 91 in the last year). If you want to get 30 mpg, you have to keep your foot out of it. They are very fun to rev and will go all the way up to the 7.5k redline. Don't discount regular 91-96 Escorts lx's. I moved onto a 93 from my 91 Protege. The 1.9 single cam Ford doesn't have the same amount of grunt as Protege lx/Escort gt/lx-e/Tracer but does the job around town just fine. Between the two, I actually prefer the Escort lx's more usable powerband to the Protege lx's high winded nature. 91-96 Escorts can be had in 4 door sedan, wagon and 5 door hatch flavors also. All Zx2 suspension goodies bolt right on too (advantage of Ford parts bin).

  • Feb. 16, 2009 9:52 a.m. KevinC New Reader

    Thanks for all of the opinions. I was not aware of the ZX2 recommendation. I could go with a 2 door. I would drive it the most (for my commute). But my wife uses it a little. I should filter the list a bit more and say that an automatic trans might be better and comfortable seats are important.

    Looks like P71/Escort/Focus are popular choices. The Volvo and BMW suggestions interest me because I have never owned either brand.

  • tuna55

    Feb. 16, 2009 11:16 a.m. tuna55 New Reader

    Careful on the ZX2, that transmission (the manual one) is the weak link. I owned one that went from being a junkyard replacement to being a 1-3-5 to being a 3-5. Not too many options for replacement either. People who put down actual power carry a spare, really.

    They are quick and do handle quite well though.

  • Feb. 16, 2009 12:03 p.m. KevinC New Reader

    Would the auto trans in a ZX2 ruin the attraction to the car? There are a few in my area for sale with auto trans.

  • SlickDizzy

    Feb. 16, 2009 12:23 p.m. SlickDizzy SuperDork

    Peugeot 405 Mi16

    /end of 'best kept secret' thread

  • 92dxman

    Feb. 16, 2009 1:20 p.m. 92dxman Reader

    The auto trans in a Zx2 is pretty weak too. I think the manual trans would be a better option. Zx2 seats are comfortable but Recaros from an Mx-3 are only a seat rail swap away!

  • racerdave600

    Feb. 16, 2009 1:36 p.m. racerdave600 Reader

    Infiniti Q45. 150mph, 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, 20mpg, a lot more sporting than a comparable Lexus, and more reliable than any BMW I've ever owned.

  • Feb. 16, 2009 3:36 p.m. KevinC New Reader

    I looked up some Q45 cars. What years are you recommending?

  • toddgreene

    Feb. 16, 2009 5:29 p.m. toddgreene New Reader

    Jetta and Golf!!!

  • DILYSI Dave

    Feb. 16, 2009 5:45 p.m. DILYSI Dave UltimaDork

    racerdave600 wrote:

    Infiniti Q45. 150mph, 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, 20mpg, a lot more sporting than a comparable Lexus, and more reliable than any BMW I've ever owned.

    Only available in automatic. :(

  • racerdave600

    Feb. 16, 2009 6:54 p.m. racerdave600 Reader

    KevinC wrote:

    I looked up some Q45 cars. What years are you recommending?

    Mine was a '94 and it was really a great car. One owner, low mileage, perfect maintenance and it was bought right at your figure. The original window sticker was with it and listed for more than $50k, pretty much a deal in my book. I never had problem one in the two years I owned it except for the actuator on the blend door, a very cheap fix. It was darn near as sporty as my E36 325 that was purchased new, way way faster, and a ton more reliable, even at 150k miles. It lack that wonderful BMW steering feel though.

    I owned it for a few years and loaned it to a friend to take to Florida with his family. On the way back his wife was driving and some kid in a new Acura lost control and T-boned it right in the b-pillar on the driver's side. His speed was estimated at more than 100mph, yet the Infiniti was still able to be driven home the remaining 400 miles. The doors wouldn't open and the pillar was moved a couple of inches, but neither he, his wife or two kids were injured. A very tough car. The Acura was all over the interstate and the kid was hauled away in an ambulance with serious injuries.

    I would avoid the active suspension cars, but those are few and far between, and make sure it has been maintained. Like any cheap car, poor maintenance can take a toll. I would highly recommend one, and would buy another. It's hard to get so much luxury and speed in so cheap a package, and the fit and finish are far above most cars in it's price range.

  • 92dxman

    Feb. 17, 2009 1:27 a.m. 92dxman Reader

    If you are anywhere near PA, i'd take a serious look at this Escort GT (not mine): http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/1037428142.html

  • 93celicaGT2

    Feb. 17, 2009 9:18 a.m. 93celicaGT2 HalfDork

    92dxman wrote:

    If you are anywhere near PA, i'd take a serious look at this Escort GT (not mine): http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/1037428142.html

    ^Seconded. Awesome cars.

    Boring cheezy interior, but that's easily fixed for way less than the rest of your $3k budget.

  • Feb. 17, 2009 10:51 a.m. KevinC New Reader

    I am from just north of Toronto. Some of the recommended cars are not easy to find here but I have been researching all of the opinions and am learning a lot about them.

    The Escort GT is not common here nowadays. They have rusted away.

  • njansenv

    Feb. 17, 2009 11:20 a.m. njansenv Reader

    Check out: www.northtorontoauction.com There have been some great deals on 2004 P71's with about 60-80k miles. There are usually a bunch of "unwanted" economy cars there too, that sell for peanuts. (Neon's, Foci, older Protege's etc)

    Nathan

  • pinchvalve

    Feb. 17, 2009 11:45 a.m. pinchvalve UltraDork

    I don't know if you can find any undiscovered secret gems in your price range and location that are currently available for sale. A quick check of Ebay in your area reveals not too much within a few hundred kilometers that I would consider "sporty" AND a daily driver. You may have to widen your search area.

  • Andy Reid

    Feb. 17, 2009 8:41 p.m. Andy Reid Auction Editor

    How about the Infiniti G20. I think these are pretty cool cars. Alternately, you could consider a Volvo 850 Turbo. They seem to tick all your boxes for needs.

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