Kingkong
Kingkong New Reader
8/27/18 8:15 a.m.
rdcyclist
rdcyclist New Reader
8/27/18 8:20 a.m.

They were except they weighed about 3800 pounds. That one is pretty tempting...

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan SuperDork
8/27/18 8:46 a.m.

Were these the same as the euro homolgation car or a U.S. version?  Very cool nonetheless. smiley

Donebrokeit
Donebrokeit SuperDork
8/27/18 9:55 a.m.

Better have a real hard look at the rear sub frame on that car. Still nice looking.

Hoondavan
Hoondavan New Reader
8/27/18 12:57 p.m.

This is at the top of my must-own list.  I had an 87 Celica GT (FWD) when I was in college. I loved that (rusty) car and the ST165 Alltrac was the ultimate version.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill MegaDork
8/27/18 2:19 p.m.

I had a friend and former co-worker that wanted one of these in the worst way.  Then he drove one.   Best not to meet your heroes.  

Slippery
Slippery SuperDork
8/27/18 2:25 p.m.

I had one that I purchased in 1997 from the original owner and sold a few years ago. 

No way in hell they weight 3800 lbs. 

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett MegaDork
8/27/18 3:03 p.m.

I had a friend with a very nice 93(st185?) Alltrac. I had a 97 Eclipse GSX at the same time. The Alltrac sadly paled to the GSX in both acceleration & handling at autox. However I didn’t keep it long enough to part ways with the crank. 

rdcyclist
rdcyclist New Reader
8/27/18 8:09 p.m.
Slippery said:

I had one that I purchased in 1997 from the original owner and sold a few years ago. 

No way in hell they weight 3800 lbs. 

Sorry, 3300 pounds. It was early in the morning...

Still, a lot of mass for a 180hp car. I remember driving a friend's and thought it was a bit ponderous. Of course my point of reference at the time was a 1991 NA Miata...

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
8/27/18 8:24 p.m.

3300 is that GVW that includes all passengers and or cargo?  The GVW on my 07 Saab wagon is 4380 as a reference. Curb weight is probably 700-1000 less.  I am betting the curb weight on the Alltrack is closer to 2700-2800. 

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan SuperDork
8/27/18 8:33 p.m.

Gonzo.  Darn I was gonna put up a picture. indecision

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett MegaDork
8/27/18 8:41 p.m.
dean1484 said:

3300 is that GVW that includes all passengers and or cargo?  The GVW on my 07 Saab wagon is 4380 as a reference. Curb weight is probably 700-1000 less.  I am betting the curb weight on the Alltrack is closer to 2700-2800

I can’t vouch for this generation, but the next one was up around 3300-3400lbs. 

Slippery
Slippery SuperDork
8/27/18 8:50 p.m.
rdcyclist said:
Slippery said:

I had one that I purchased in 1997 from the original owner and sold a few years ago. 

No way in hell they weight 3800 lbs. 

Sorry, 3300 pounds. It was early in the morning...

Still, a lot of mass for a 180hp car. I remember driving a friend's and thought it was a bit ponderous. Of course my point of reference at the time was a 1991 NA Miata...

Another mistake ... it had 200 HP stock.

Not sure what shape your friend's was, but an All-Trac is substantially faster than an NA Miata while both in stock form. I have owned both.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
8/27/18 9:56 p.m.

Last one I saw in person was nose in the tire barrier in turn three at NHIS with the motor fully engulfed in fire. 

rdcyclist
rdcyclist New Reader
8/28/18 10:11 a.m.
dean1484 said:

3300 is that GVW that includes all passengers and or cargo?  The GVW on my 07 Saab wagon is 4380 as a reference. Curb weight is probably 700-1000 less.  I am betting the curb weight on the Alltrack is closer to 2700-2800. 

3300 is curb weight. Really. And the US version only had 180. Really.

rdcyclist
rdcyclist New Reader
8/28/18 10:14 a.m.
Slippery said:
rdcyclist said:
Slippery said:

I had one that I purchased in 1997 from the original owner and sold a few years ago. 

No way in hell they weight 3800 lbs. 

Sorry, 3300 pounds. It was early in the morning...

Still, a lot of mass for a 180hp car. I remember driving a friend's and thought it was a bit ponderous. Of course my point of reference at the time was a 1991 NA Miata...

Another mistake ... it had 200 HP stock.

Not sure what shape your friend's was, but an All-Trac is substantially faster than an NA Miata while both in stock form. I have owned both.

No, the US version really had 180 which wasn't bad for the era. Yeah, it was faster than an NA Miata but to ME if felt ponderous. They were great in the wet though. I would imagine on a tight road the Miata would run away from one. IMHO, of course...

Kingkong
Kingkong New Reader
8/28/18 10:46 a.m.

Well posting is deleted so hope one of you guys bought it!

tdrrally
tdrrally Reader
8/28/18 11:04 a.m.

put the good parts into an AWD corolla wagon! 

84FSP
84FSP SuperDork
8/28/18 1:26 p.m.

Boo - who got it?  Love these things.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
8/29/18 3:26 p.m.

I have always wanted one.  I always thought that the body styling was great on these!!! (either generation!!)  I am partial to the later ones for some reason but the older ones have that ae86 vibe going on that is also cool.

 

 

 

 

Hoondavan
Hoondavan New Reader
8/29/18 4:51 p.m.

In 1 year the 1994 Celica alltrac will be 25 years old and eligible for import.  I still like the early cars better, but it would be cool to see the newer ones start showing up at events.  

Image result for celica alltrac

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan SuperDork
8/29/18 7:27 p.m.
Hoondavan said:

In 1 year the 1994 Celica alltrac will be 25 years old and eligible for import.  I still like the early cars better, but it would be cool to see the newer ones start showing up at events.  

Image result for celica alltrac

I can't tell but I wonder if that's Austin McHales car. smiley

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