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Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
4/9/15 7:17 p.m.

Well the first round of mods have come to an end. I got everything installed and had the front end aligned yesterday. Went back this morning to install the bar part of the panhard bar system. Had a little help there. When they aligned the front we all also checked the rear axle postioning. It took some of the hard work out of the install. Below are some pictures of the parts installed.

Also just want to say doing a thread like this was new for me. I'll try to update and make follow on posts a little more entertaining for all.

<img src=" photo 20150408_094351_zpsl7beknjo.jpg" /> These pictures where all taken while the car was on the alignment lift. <img src=" photo 20150408_094358_zpsmudldywy.jpg" /> <img src=" photo 20150408_094403_zpsrhj48uhy.jpg" /> <img src=" photo 20150408_094458_zpspli7t7fq.jpg" /> <img src=" photo 20150408_094426_zpsri2qvshz.jpg" /> <img src=" photo 20150408_094440_zpsmiylut2d.jpg" /> <img src=" photo 20150409_121643_zpsddymyqou.jpg" /> <img src=" photo 20150409_121703_zpsvsjygvrw.jpg" />

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
4/14/15 4:19 p.m.

Well I got to run the car this weekend and turned in a best time of 38.409. One of the veteran Mustang drivers took it out and turned a high 33 second run. Talk about humble pie! I need to work on car control big time. I'm going to post a link of a video of one of my runs.

http://youtu.be/qhIbnX6xikE

Well this might go a little stale for a bit as recoup money and resources for my next evolution in my build, stay tuned.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
4/14/15 5:50 p.m.

'Hire' a co-driver. Let someone faster than you drive for free (maybe they pay your entry?) As soon as you can beat them, find someone faster. Everyone will teach you things. Eventually you'll be the fastest guy you know.

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
4/14/15 7:31 p.m.
mazdeuce wrote: 'Hire' a co-driver. Let someone faster than you drive for free (maybe they pay your entry?) As soon as you can beat them, find someone faster. Everyone will teach you things. Eventually you'll be the fastest guy you know.

Nice thought, but I got plenty of coachs to help me with in our club. Besides I don't know about you, but not just anybody is going to drive my car. The list is mighty short. At this point I know the car has potential.

beans
beans Dork
4/20/15 4:49 p.m.

How do you like the S04's autocrossing? I've thought about picking up a set for my DD/autocross Accord, I like the way Bridgestones typically "feel" on Honda's. I just can't justify the noise/wet grip compromise that the current crop of 200tw tires have for daily driving, and would be willing to give up a little wet grip for quicker response and feel compared to the Conti DW.

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
4/21/15 7:43 p.m.
beans wrote: How do you like the S04's autocrossing? I've thought about picking up a set for my DD/autocross Accord, I like the way Bridgestones typically "feel" on Honda's. I just can't justify the noise/wet grip compromise that the current crop of 200tw tires have for daily driving, and would be willing to give up a little wet grip for quicker response and feel compared to the Conti DW.

I've ran 1 event on them and they felt real good. They may give up a little in grip, but I was second fastest in class. I've put some time on them in the rain just driving around and haven't had any traction issues if I drive civil. There not noisy on the road either.

Mr_Clutch42
Mr_Clutch42 Dork
4/21/15 7:59 p.m.
mazdeuce wrote: 'Hire' a co-driver. Let someone faster than you drive for free (maybe they pay your entry?) As soon as you can beat them, find someone faster. Everyone will teach you things. Eventually you'll be the fastest guy you know.

Where do you watch them, their footwork, or their handwork? I can't seem to pick up what fast drivers are doing when I ride with them.

Thinkkker
Thinkkker UltraDork
4/22/15 8:29 a.m.

Record with a go-pro, then lay the videos up next to each other and time the same. It will show you different lines, and such. This will be after the event, but you can get Solo storm or something similar and be able to watch same time to compare speeds and such.

Mr_Clutch42
Mr_Clutch42 Dork
4/22/15 1:23 p.m.

Ok, that sounds like a plan.

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
4/22/15 6:54 p.m.

Well here is the results from the first event. Fastest CAM-C car was a built 93 Mustang with a 36.949. I finished 2nd with a 38.409. But I didn't realize I hadn't been turning off the TC for the first five runs. I turned it off the sixth run and it got ugly. I spun it out bad.

Listed below are our times and a link to one of my videos. http://youtu.be/qhIbnX6xikE

Note; there was 4 CAM-C cars, but the one guy ran as a novice. His time put him in 3rd place if he had been included.

'Classic American Muscle C' - Total Entries: 3

1Tm camc 23 DeWayne Logan 93 Ford Mustang Black 43.173 39.941 39.023 39.043 37.423 36.949

2 m camc 88 James Payne 03 Ford Mustang GT Redfire 39.738 38.409 38.608 39.732 39.058 44.681

3 m camc 99 Van Blanco 99 Pontiac Firebird Navy Blue 54.626 50.416 49.088 48.086 48.316 46.863

Skervey
Skervey Reader
4/22/15 7:45 p.m.

Nice! that's a good results! I like the idea of recording feet with a gopro and overlapping it with another video. That seems like a really good way to pick up on some driving hints.

Sky_Render
Sky_Render SuperDork
4/23/15 3:00 p.m.

I like this project!

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
4/23/15 8:05 p.m.
Sky_Render wrote: I like this project!

Thank you! Already saving for the next installment.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
4/23/15 8:21 p.m.
Mr_Clutch42 wrote:
mazdeuce wrote: 'Hire' a co-driver. Let someone faster than you drive for free (maybe they pay your entry?) As soon as you can beat them, find someone faster. Everyone will teach you things. Eventually you'll be the fastest guy you know.

Where do you watch them, their footwork, or their handwork? I can't seem to pick up what fast drivers are doing when I ride with them.

Part of is is driver 'hygene', hands and feet, part of it is learning to listen to the car. A good driver has the car moving under them quite a lot. You can learn to feel how the car is acting as well as inputs (hard braking, soft braking, sharp turn in, dealing with under steer) better if you're not focusing on lines and cones and what not.

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
4/24/15 5:39 p.m.
mazdeuce wrote:
Mr_Clutch42 wrote:
mazdeuce wrote: 'Hire' a co-driver. Let someone faster than you drive for free (maybe they pay your entry?) As soon as you can beat them, find someone faster. Everyone will teach you things. Eventually you'll be the fastest guy you know.

Where do you watch them, their footwork, or their handwork? I can't seem to pick up what fast drivers are doing when I ride with them.

Part of is is driver 'hygene', hands and feet, part of it is learning to listen to the car. A good driver has the car moving under them quite a lot. You can learn to feel how the car is acting as well as inputs (hard braking, soft braking, sharp turn in, dealing with under steer) better if you're not focusing on lines and cones and what not.

Like when the car stops being controlled and you are along for the ride for about 3 seconds of spinning? Yep was there already this year!

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
4/30/15 7:43 p.m.

Well here is another video from last weekend. It wasn't my best run, but it was a fun run letting it all hang out! I finished 6th, but I would've finished 4th if it wasn't for that dam moving cone issue.

https://youtu.be/I0ji4FojJVY

beans
beans Dork
4/30/15 9:16 p.m.

Might just be me, but it seems your movements and inputs are really, REALLY deliberate and a little late; like you were waiting to get to the cone to brake, or put in steering, at every cone and almost panic braking/steering vs setting the car up for 1-2 cones ahead of yourself. The car looks pretty quick and tidy, going where you want it, though.

This may have already been covered, but are you in the Detroit region?

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
4/30/15 10:11 p.m.

In reply to beans:

This was the nasty run, but the funniest video. I way over drove the car trying to push and was real sloppy. I've got a pretty good coach and he had some not kind things to say about that run. Been playing with tire pressures too. I'm learning to talk with the car as well as drive it. Got all summer to get ready for my first Nationals trip. I'll upload and post my fastest run.

And an update on the tires. They feel real good, I might be giving up a little to the 200TW guys, but not much. There are only a few serious guys actually running 200TW tires any how and that's mostly because they reclassed their car or got a used set from someone. I'll go to a 200TW tire by August. There goes anouther $2500 for more wheels and tires!

No I'm with Saginaw Valley Region. Was just there getting seat time and learning the car.

Fastest run of the day with 1 cone that cost me 2 places. See if this looks a little better to you.

https://youtu.be/_HOh2EzM1ek

beans
beans Dork
5/1/15 6:00 a.m.

Much better There was only a couple of places there that I could see a decent amount of room for improvement, otherwise a great run.

I'm with NWOR, just saw the "MIS" in the title and figured you were pretty close.

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
5/1/15 8:04 a.m.

In reply to beans:

Thx, always room for improvement. I'm getting a handle on the Bad Pony. It's just going to take awhile.

I'm trying to fit a trip to Toledo into my schedule, but my job keeps me pretty busy. I have to look into the future to plan things and make the best use of the days off I have.

Mr_Clutch42
Mr_Clutch42 Dork
5/1/15 11:06 p.m.

Even though you undercut yourself with your tire choice, you already showed that they are still capable of putting down much better times with a more experienced driver. I believe that you're better off racing with the tires you have versus buying new ones later, especially since your competitors will beat you because they're outdriving you more than relying on the tires to beat you. Not to mention that your size is expensive.

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
5/2/15 10:05 a.m.

In reply to Mr_Clutch42:

We have a big meet in August about 2 weeks before Nationals. I was thinking too run a 200tw tire there to scrub them in and get feel for them. Then run on them at Nationals. This gives me all summer to work on my skills before putting a new set of gummies to work. And your right I'm getting out driven on skill, not tires. Seat time seat time!

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
5/28/15 6:53 p.m.
beans wrote: How do you like the S04's autocrossing? I've thought about picking up a set for my DD/autocross Accord, I like the way Bridgestones typically "feel" on Honda's. I just can't justify the noise/wet grip compromise that the current crop of 200tw tires have for daily driving, and would be willing to give up a little wet grip for quicker response and feel compared to the Conti DW.

First let me say sorry I've been a tad busy and haven't updated much here. I haven't done much to the car lately because of my schedule and saving some money. It'll probably be this winter before my next parts installment takes off again. I'll try to post up some videos and times shortly. I have a with some wild rides in them.

Update on the tires Beans! They feel real good running and my times with these are about the same as drivers with about equal experience running 200tw tires. I've got about 40 runs on them and they show some outside wear (I'm running -1.75 camber racing & .5 on the street.), but overall they are holding up pretty good. With the help of a freind I've found running about 35lbs in the front and about 33lbs in the rear seem to give them the best traction. They do heat up pretty well. On the street they have been real good. No real traction issues even in moderate rain. I've been running them on the street at 38lbs all around. I'd say a good investment for the cost if you don't want an all out tire.

Biggest issue is me trying to find my limits in car control. It's been nasty at times.

beans
beans Dork
5/28/15 7:39 p.m.

Thanks for the review! I decided to stick with BFG Comp-2's on the front of my car, going from a 225/50/16 to a 205/55/16 this time around. The 225's were too wide on my 7" wheels so I played a little bit more conservative side of things to get a little bit more response out of it. $75 a pop is too good a deal too haha. I'm just gonna do a handful of events this season(if at all) so I'm not 100% concerned with tire selection this year. Next year, the car will be prepped a bit more to run in SMF, so I can go a bit all out then.

Stang_guy03
Stang_guy03 New Reader
5/28/15 8:36 p.m.
beans wrote: Thanks for the review! I decided to stick with BFG Comp-2's on the front of my car, going from a 225/50/16 to a 205/55/16 this time around. The 225's were too wide on my 7" wheels so I played a little bit more conservative side of things to get a little bit more response out of it. $75 a pop is too good a deal too haha. I'm just gonna do a handful of events this season(if at all) so I'm not 100% concerned with tire selection this year. Next year, the car will be prepped a bit more to run in SMF, so I can go a bit all out then.

One of the guys that's running CAM-T in a 68 Camaro is running Comp2s. He seems to do real well with them, but he isn't as aggressive with the car as I am either. But hey I understand the cost issue. As I said way back that is how I came about with the SO4s

Also ran into a guy the other day that is running Derizzas on the front and some off brand tire on back. Kinda makes sense since on a fwd car the back is just kinda, well back there, LOL.

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