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Go_Gators
Go_Gators
6/7/17 7:53 a.m.

It aint the first, wont be the last.

I am going to start this thread and try to maintain it through the tear down, build up and driving phases. My intent is to build a sub-$10k street, autocross and occasional track day missile that is highly reliable and maintainable. Targeting a 400hp and ~2250lbs LS1 powered go kart – no body. Like roadkill’s C4 hack, I will remove the entire body, except the A-pillar/windshield. Delete the front and rear portions of the frame that protrude beyond the axles and then install a roll-cage, likely using NASA specs. We’ll see how it goes!

Donor car search parameters were simple, C5 around $5k, 6spd, no or minor frame damage, more-less complete vehicle. Turns out only ~20% of C5s are 6spds and of the wrecked/salvage or deplorably maintained cars ~95% of those are automatics! After a couple months a potential candidate was posted to a Copart facility only a couple hours from home. After jumping through the various Copart hoops I placed bids on and “won” a ’98 convertible. Winning bid was $4750. After taxes and various Copart fees, my actual total was $5800. Considering I had only seen some low quality images of the car, it was more money than I wanted to spend. But I hoped, based on the pictures, that the car had a lot of sellable components compared to others I had seen sell. It appeared to have only damage to the front bumper area and mostly cosmetic at that.

After wiring money to Copart I went and picked it up. The vette was delicately placed on the trailer with surgical precision…. Giving it the once over for the first time I was pleasantly surprised. Long tube headers! Full length aftermarket exhaust! Optima battery! no apparent mechanical damage! clean interior! only 89k miles! ¾ of a 1 dollar bill! Six magnum condemns! One shoe! Obviously, this was looking to be a veritable bargain. It wouldn’t start on the trailer using my jumpbox, so we continued home. Delighted. At the house the battery read 6 volts. Dropped in a new battery, the LS1 thundered to life immediately. It is certainly sounding like the PO threw a cam in it and what a glorious sound! it had no water in it and no air filter, but getting it situated in the driveway using only 1st and reverse the driveline felt good.

Currently, I am awaiting the salvage title from Copart. I have a $30 C5 radiator from craigslist, a fast and furious style air filter from advance auto, some generic yellow trailer indicator lights to use as turn signals. When I get the salvage title I will be off to the visit the fine folks at the DMV. Filing for a rebuilt title and the inspection process will surely be sweat pump inducing events. Assuming I get through the title/tag effort I intend on putting a couple hundred miles on it to get a warm fuzzy that the driveline doesn’t need significant repair. Then, the teardown and sell-off of the interior and body work will commence! Those funds will hopefully somewhat offset the large expenses to come (seating/belts and rollcage) keeping the budget under $10k. But, I doubt it.

RossD
RossD UltimaDork
6/7/17 7:55 a.m.

Now that's a first post! Welcome to the madhouse, apparently you know how we operate here!

Donebrokeit
Donebrokeit Dork
6/7/17 8:13 a.m.

I like where this is going

Go_Gators
Go_Gators New Reader
6/7/17 8:15 a.m.
RossD wrote: Now that's a first post! Welcome to the madhouse, apparently you know how we operate here!

I have been stalking GRM for a long time now. when considering where to post this adventure, I could think of no better fit. CERTAINLY NOT A CORVETTE FORUM.

floatingdoc
floatingdoc New Reader
6/7/17 8:44 a.m.

Sounds great, looking forward to following the build!

Bobzilla
Bobzilla MegaDork
6/7/17 10:44 a.m.

oOOHHH... I'm in. Someone pass the popcorn. Dis gonna be good!

patgizz
patgizz MegaDork
6/7/17 10:47 a.m.

Here's some inspiration for you

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dyintorace
dyintorace PowerDork
6/7/17 10:58 a.m.

I see your in JAX. PimpM3 and Stampie are forum regulars also in JAX. Both are damn good folks and very knowledgeable. Hopefully you can connect with them. Excited to see this build!

Go_Gators
Go_Gators New Reader
6/7/17 11:45 a.m.

In reply to patgizz: thanks for the foreshadowing... its just as beautiful as I was hoping.

Go_Gators
Go_Gators New Reader
6/7/17 11:49 a.m.

In reply to dyintorace:

yep, thanks, noted! appears one might share my bimmer bias.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce MegaDork
6/7/17 11:59 a.m.

Following along. I always wondered if the gains in pulling the body offset the aero of keeping it. I'm interested to see how much you can recoup post teardown.

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
6/7/17 12:26 p.m.
mazdeuce wrote: Following along. I always wondered if the gains in pulling the body offset the aero of keeping it. I'm interested to see how much you can recoup post teardown.

Ditto that. I'll be following this with interest--can you build a V8 kart for the cost of a shifter kart?

mck1117
mck1117 Reader
6/7/17 12:43 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce:

For autox at least, that is absolutely worth it. I went to one in April where a guy showed up with a Lotus Elise, minus all of the body. You just sat on the aluminum "skateboard". They set the fastest time by over 2 seconds.

Go_Gators
Go_Gators New Reader
6/7/17 12:58 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce: honestly, if sales cover seating and belts, I would be happy. I am going to price stuff to move as I already have a storage problem - two car garage, HOA, a prepped solo STX car and its crap plus a C3 (other garage resident) and its paraphernalia.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH MegaDork
6/7/17 1:51 p.m.

That's almost too nice to cut up! Sure you don't want to put a new front bumper on it and give it a try?

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/7/17 4:44 p.m.

Welcome! Great project.

2250 with stock windshield and full NASA spec cage might be tough. 2400 lbs will be easy.

SEADave
SEADave HalfDork
6/7/17 5:01 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: That's almost too nice to cut up! Sure you don't want to put a new front bumper on it and give it a try?

I think he's gonna have to do that anyway in order to pass the inspection to get a rebuilt title.

mndsm
mndsm MegaDork
6/7/17 5:09 p.m.

Wait, so c5s are getting cheap enough to deathkart? And here head looking for moldy c4s....

Go_Gators
Go_Gators New Reader
6/8/17 6:15 a.m.

I assure you there will not be daily updates. But, a discovery yesterday afternoon merited another report. I removed the cracked and unsupported radiator and continued extracting mud from the engine compartment.

Once relatively mud free i noticed an engraving on the passenger cylinder head that will require me to change the target horse power of the LS1; the going-in hope of 400hp at the flywheel is no longer practical. 500hp is looking more probable. “Trick Flow” was etched on the heads.

Based on the choppy idle its highly likely this thing had a cam installed. I am trying to think like someone who would dump several thousand dollars in performance parts on a convertible C5, which is hard, and I am thinking they probably opted for Trick Flow’s top end kit (heads/cam/rockers/pushrods/etc). The kits range from 485hp to 515hp (depending on cam shaft selection) and cost ~$3300. So far in the exploration I have found performance parts totaling more than I paid for the vehicle.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/8/17 6:55 a.m.

Definitely a diamond in rough find!

Go_Gators
Go_Gators New Reader
6/12/17 5:46 a.m.

with the cooling system restored atleast temporarily, I can run it up to temperature. There isn't much to see in the video, but there is A LOT TO HEAR!!

link to youtube video: LS1-KART meet the donor

I put some from turn signal lights on the front, trying to figure out if there is a minimum size or brightness. also cant readily figure out if indicator lights (amber on the front qtr panels and amber front parking lights that are also on when headlights are on) are legally required. anyone know?

Go_Gators
Go_Gators New Reader
7/5/17 8:31 a.m.

It only took a month... but the salvage title arrives at my door today. tomorrow the fun with the fine folks at the FLA DMV shall commence. I have filled out all the forms and read the fine print, but I am not optimistic that success will be had in the first attempt!

Billy_Bottle_Caps
Billy_Bottle_Caps Dork
7/5/17 9:21 a.m.

Engine sounds great! Good luck with the DMV..

minivan_racer
minivan_racer UberDork
7/5/17 9:29 a.m.

That exhaust is quite a glorious noise.

Lof8
Lof8 Dork
7/5/17 9:32 a.m.

Its like a treasure hunt! I'm a UF grad. Go Gators!

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