Gimp said:
Not that I'm at the point that I want to redo anything before I have a running car, but watching this recent round of updates has been interesting.
I have the Performance Trends software, and the guidance of some really fast people who have built my chassis before, so I'm thinking I'm headed the right direction. The software cost money, but so far the advice has been free - what made you take the leap to paying for advice (hiring Ron), and, if you don't mind, could you give me an idea of a ballpark cost for his work?
I ask because I would see his name come up a lot of pro-touring forums, and to be honest, for a while I saw his work and said "it's good, but these guys are all just fat rich guys with first gen Camaros that will never turn a wheel in anger, so he probably don't have to be that good." Folks like you going to him for help has, at least in my eyes, beefed up his resume.
I got the help of Ron Sutton because I just don't have enough opportunities to test the car and sort the problems out. Example: I built this version of the car and did a whole bunch of runs at local events in early 2016. The car was fantastic and I would get FTD by 2 or 3 seconds, then I went to Lincoln. The car would lift and spin the inside tire like crazy and I couldn't put the power down so I finished out of the trophies. I went home and worked on it all winter to try and solve the problem. I moved the fuel cell, battery, intercooler and radiator to get a better weight balance, installed stiffer springs and waited for spring to arrive. My wife and I drove down the 10 hours to Lincoln for a local event where I immediately blew up the motor because the car still had wheelspin but cornered harder and the extra G's starved the rods of oil. Two weeks later, with a junkyard motor in the car we were back in Lincoln for Springnationals where I had my best finish in EM with a 3rd place, but I still had wheelspin when turning and the shifting was terrible. Worked all summer on the car, improving the shifting, replacing the differential and rebuilding the motor then went to Nationals in September. Still had terrible wheelspin when turning, still had poor shifting and these things cost me a trophy again. Running the car locally doesn't reveal any problems because we run on a narrow, bumpy, asphalt runway that has no sweepers and is low grip. I only find issues when I go to Lincoln and I can only go there twice a year. The car has the right power, weight balance, Cg, tires, wheelbase and basic suspension design so why does it have this terrible wheelspin problem? With enough time testing on concrete, I would figure it out eventually but I just can't get enough time on a high grip surface with sweepers. Ron Sutton has several packages for sorting out your race car but I chose his #40 Full Front & Rear Suspension, Geometry & Steering Plus Suspension Strategy & Handling Balance - Optimization and the cost was $499. If you do not already use the Performance Trends program, you may have to purchase that as well but I already had my car all done in PT so I just had to send him the file. He has many different packages and you can find them here: Ron Sutton Race Tech packages
In reply to bentwrench, he did ask why I had such long control arms and when I said I wanted good camber gain and minimal roll center movement, he said those were good reasons.