frenchyd said:
First it was going to be Chevy vs Jaguar on a challenge budget. Then it was going to be a small block Chevy in a Jaguar vs a Jaguar.
I offered to let him install his BBC in a Jaguar I prepared to eliminate the car variable
then a $1000. BBChevy in a Jaguar. vs a Jaguar in a Jaguar
Then a super/ turbocharged BBC vs a Jaguar. I proposed a $500 limit on the engine. His objection is Jaguars were free and that would allow me to use an old reground pair of camshafts He's right. A pair of cams could easily make 100+ horsepower over the stock ones
I offered to use a stone stock carbureted Jaguar against his stone stock BBC which is what the original discussion was all about
Almost none of that is accurate when taken in context of where the discussions al have steamed from.
You have actually convinced me that a 300 junkyard jag v12 engine (a price you mention on every thread a v12 comes up in) with minor mods (that are so cheap its like finding gold on the ground - or sompthing like that)
would actually be able to win against a junkyard chevy engine of the same era, with minor mods (ie, more hp than stock)
BUT you tend to make outrageous posts that its cheaper to build HP with a jag v12, than it is to build hp with ANY chevy engine
NO ONE (but you ) has expected to race you with no mods to a chevy engine... but have offered to let you spend the same amount on your jag engine
Stampie (FS) said:
Bring tired of the moving target here's what we've both agreed to before.
$1000 engine limit. This should include fuel management and any accessories attached to the engine including headers, turbo if used and the intake tract up to where an air filter would be if used. Basically anything the air or fuel passes through fuel pressure regulator forward except what is traditionally considered the exhaust system. Accessories such as alternator, power steering pump are also included in the budget. You will build what is commonly considered a Jaguar V12. I will build what is commonly called a SBC or BBC. SBC excludes LS engines.
I can swap my engine into your XJS or if I choose to I can build my own XJS. Either way the race car is unlimited in budget or mods as this is an engine competition not a race car competition hence us racing a fat car with a long wheelbase that should never be raced by normal people. Radiator and coolant hoses are considered part of the race car. Fuel pump and lines are part of the car also.
The race will be held at a venue of your choosing in the summer of 2022. You must give notice at least 6 months in advance of the location and date.
That is the last actual rules suggested. All of your answerers are complaints against this said outside of these suggestions, without laying down exact rules in writing.
A stock $300 junkyard v12 with 700 mods. against a stock BBC with mods... With all other rules exactly the same, a bone stock $300 engine does not give you the chance to "builds more hp cheaper than a chevy"
You are on a fixed income. Stampie ain't 'zactly roiling in money. Lots of folks on here will pitch in a bunch of money, once a build thread for the stuff happens. $1000 engine budget sound way cheap, to get good enough HP for a fun race. If your used reground cams are important to you, but not worth much, they will not bite into your budget much. Leaves you a lot of money to prove how cheap a v12 can build more hp.
