The Staff of Motorsport Marketing
The Staff of Motorsport Marketing Writer
1/6/21 11:34 a.m.

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This isn’t a new idea: Why not run aviation fuel in your classic? Thanks to its high octane and lack of ethanol, this avgas sounds intriguing. 

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aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
1/6/21 4:05 p.m.

Summary: 

If you have a cat or an oxygen sensor on your car = maybe bad idea

If you don't = very good idea (other than the legalities / emissions of course) if your car can use the octane.

One aspect not covered is that Avgas is FAR more stable then road gas.  I had 100LL in my Ghia for many years, and it does not turn to turpentine like road gas does (at least not nearly as fast). If I had the option to put Avgas in my car, I certainly would. But of course, it's pretty much an aviation engine anyway.

Brian_13
Brian_13 New Reader
1/6/21 5:09 p.m.

Using leaded fuel is illegal on the road (and should be illegal everywhere) and irresponsible. The rest of the discussion is pointless, except to mention (as the article failed to) that unleaded racing fuel addresses any legitimate fuel needs for classic and competition vehicles.

TorqueNRecoil
TorqueNRecoil
1/6/21 7:21 p.m.

Brian, lighten up.   Classic cars are hardly driven.  Same for drag cars.  They go 1/4 mile at a time, and some only 1/8 mile.  Your comment "should be illegal everywhere" is (as you yourself said) is irresponsible.  You can't just put whatever you want into the tank of an airplane.  If your Lycoming or Continental was certificated for 100LL, and you put in some ethanol-laced unleaded auto gas, burn a piston or valve, crash and kill somebody, you wil be sued.   If you survive the crash, you will lose the lawsuit.   The very first thing the NTSB does when they inspect a crash site, is to check the fuel tanks.

Brian_13
Brian_13 New Reader
1/11/21 1:29 p.m.
TorqueNRecoil said:

... Your comment "should be illegal everywhere" is (as you yourself said) is irresponsible.  You can't just put whatever you want into the tank of an airplane.  If your Lycoming or Continental was certificated for 100LL, and you put in some ethanol-laced unleaded auto gas, burn a piston or valve, crash and kill somebody, you wil be sued.   If you survive the crash, you will lose the lawsuit.   The very first thing the NTSB does when they inspect a crash site, is to check the fuel tanks.

I didn't suggest putting auto fuel - especially with ethanol - in an aircraft. Unleaded aviation gasoline is readily available, there are certified aviation engines to use it, and the general aviation industry has had decades to adapt to fuel without lead. Aircraft are operated for a very long time, but piston engines need rebuilds every few hundred operating hours so every one out there has been rebuilt since the 1970's and they could all be safely and reliably running unleaded. There is no excuse.

Brian_13
Brian_13 New Reader
1/11/21 1:38 p.m.
TorqueNRecoil said:

Brian, lighten up.   Classic cars are hardly driven.  Same for drag cars.  They go 1/4 mile at a time, and some only 1/8 mile.

That's like saying that I only drive on a highway one in a while, and there's only one of me, so none of the rules of the road should apply to me... after all, what effect could just my one car have? The fact that both classic road cars and any competition vehicle are completely unnecessary - just hobbies and entertainment - means that they have less excuse than real working vehicles for pollution. And if Formula 1 can run on unleaded gasoline (which it does), your obsolete drag car burning leaded gas looks almost as antiquated as a coal-fired steam engine.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
1/11/21 2:02 p.m.
Brian_13 said:
 Aircraft are operated for a very long time, but piston engines need rebuilds every few hundred operating hours ...

The most popular general avation engine for many many years is the Lycoming 0-360.  It has a recommended TBO (time between overhaul) of 1500 hours (I know someone who pushed his, with careful monitoring, over 2000).  A rebuild is about $16,000.  Most general aviation planes are not used that much.  It can take a LONG time to run a 360 out.

Now, a Merlin engine (P51), which is definitely a high strung engine, TBO is 240 hours, (rebuild $60,000+).

 

Tom1200
Tom1200 SuperDork
1/11/21 3:57 p.m.

I just buy the 100 octane unleaded race gas for my vintage race car. This has way less ethanol the other pump fuels.  Driving to the airport to fill up seems like a pain.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
1/12/21 10:46 a.m.

Avgas also has a higher vapor pressure and lower BTU content

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