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  • Mental

    Jan. 26, 2009 1:44 p.m. Mental UltraDork

    It is a rare thing when you consider the volume of readers, but considering the amount of reader supply articles, GRM is pretty much alone in this. No one accapet this much material from there readership. I can open up dozens of my GRMs and read good stuff from Angry Corvair, Crabil, and others.

    We have also read here and in her blog about some of Marjorie’s pet peeves, as well as some of the other fine editorial staff beefs.

    So what brilliant guidance from the staff would you have for us wanna-be's? What tips are those who are talented enough to be publish offer us? Even if it doesn’t help me get published in GRM, I regularly have to submit written materials for my day job and anything I can get my hands on always helps. After all, I am a product of a Georgia Public education and a Nebraska state school.

  • 4cylndrfury

    Jan. 26, 2009 2:04 p.m. 4cylndrfury Reader

    I have found a business writing class to be the best writing education I have ever had. Im no pro, and Im not published but I write a lot for work and other sources, and Ive found that the clear and concise writing used in BW is very informative, usually very well accepted by the readers and overall the most efficient writing I can do. Just my $0.02

    Then again, I liek Werds

  • Tom Heath

    Jan. 27, 2009 3:38 p.m. Tom Heath Production Editor

    Submissions are very important to the magazine; perhaps not so much because of the individual writers' talent, but because it's very hard to be an expert in all things. Writing style, spelling, and grammar can all be fixed—that's what editors are for.)

    If you have a good story idea or attend an event you think would interest our readers, drop us (well, probably David or Scott...) an email and pitch it. Even if it isn't right for GRM, there are other outlets to seek if you're really dedicated to being a writer.

    Education is important, but not an insurmountable obstacle if you don't have one. After all, I'm the product of a New York public high school, a handful of community college classes, and the University of Hard Knocks.

  • friedgreencorrado

    Jan. 27, 2009 10:10 p.m. friedgreencorrado New Reader

    Tom Heath wrote:

    Submissions are very important to the magazine; perhaps not so much because of the individual writers' talent, but because it's very hard to be an expert in all things. Writing style, spelling, and grammar can all be fixed—that's what editors are for.)

    Tom, I'm not quite suggesting that I'm going to bury the office in unsolicited articles, but if I should suddenly find myself at Robeling, observing 25 old `Camel Lights' cars on the ASR grid for an SCCA Regional, I might be tempted to send a little something your way. Since I'm too lazy to research where and how to submit an article to your esteemed publication, would you mind describing the proper process required for such an effort?

  • Per Schroeder

    Jan. 28, 2009 8:52 a.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

    That doesn't bode well for what you might submit.

  • Tim Baxter

    Jan. 28, 2009 9:11 a.m. Tim Baxter Online Editor

    We used to have article submission guidelines on the site. They've gone missing somewhere along the way. I'm trying to find them. If I do, I'll get them posted.

  • John Brown

    Jan. 28, 2009 9:21 a.m. John Brown UltimaDork

    OT topic, but did Per go HD with Bender?

    Nice!

  • Per Schroeder

    Jan. 28, 2009 9:23 a.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

    That's actually 3d Bender.

  • dean1484

    Jan. 28, 2009 4:06 p.m. dean1484 HalfDork

    I tried to submit something a while back.. .. It could have been either take my story / article or just the idea as I am sure that the staff at GRM could address the subject much better than I. But I was politely told that they have enough stuff for he next couple of years. In other words I was told not to bother. So unless things have changed dont get your hopes up kids. I suspect GRM has a backlog of stuff.

    What would be interesting, and hopefully helpful, would be to allow the readers to submit topics / titles with a very brief description that can then be voted up or down by the readers on the web site. This could help at least give GRM an insight into what we would like to see.

    For the record I was interested in an article on how you approach automotive projects, Big versus Small. The hording of parts versus tearing in to it and figuring it out later. IE; The RFA approach (Ready Fire Aim). Why both are some times best and what are the pitfalls of both approaches.

    Bottom line is GRM still is the best mag out there!!! It is the only subscription I have now. I have let all the others laps and I dont miss them.

  • P71

    Jan. 28, 2009 4:19 p.m. P71 HalfDork

    It's so hard to get into writing. I ended up submitting an article to my local SCCA Chapter's newsletter that saw print, which was really exciting! I'd love to see something in GRM by me, but I know I have a lot of work to do. Here's hoping...

    BTW, Post #1000 woot!

  • dyintorace

    Jan. 28, 2009 4:36 p.m. dyintorace HalfDork

    What about a section of the website for submitted articles that pass editorial muster? While there may be enough ideas for the printed version for "years to come" (although that contradicts what Tom said above), it would be cool to see reader submitted written content (and pictures) on the website. And who knows...maybe the best of those actually do make it into print.

  • friedgreencorrado

    Jan. 28, 2009 5:17 p.m. friedgreencorrado New Reader

    Per Schroeder wrote:

    That doesn't bode well for what you might submit.

    ROFL! Researching a story is interesting. Trying to smoke something by an overburdened editor is not.

    And I was going to make a sports racer joke here, but you've decided to autocross the LeGrand, right?

    Almost forgot..I once worked for a racing buddy's SAAB shop. I was going to find that extraction tool for the 99's water pump, but went I went back to ask them about it, they had moved.

    http://www.sjauto.com/

    You'll probably find one locally before I can get over to Jack & Theresa's new place...

  • Tom Heath

    Jan. 28, 2009 5:37 p.m. Tom Heath Production Editor

    dyintorace wrote:

    What about a section of the website for submitted articles that pass editorial muster? While there may be enough ideas for the printed version for "years to come" (although that contradicts what Tom said above), it would be cool to see reader submitted written content (and pictures) on the website. And who knows...maybe the best of those actually do make it into print.

    I wouldn't consider it a contradiction; it's a matter of what we have available that might be good for use in the magazine at a given time. I never said we were starving for submissions, just that they are an important part of our mix.

    Event coverage has a very short shelf life, so they offer the best opportunity to get your work in print quickly. Every issue of GRM has event coverage, and only a few of these are written by our in-house staff.

    Feature articles are something more likely to keep "in the bank." Depending on the subject, timing, etc... it's very possible that there's isn't a current need for a story. (likely the case for the previous poster who was declined.) On the other hand, even if everything were planned a decade in advance, things change. Something that was originally planned for further down the road (or not planned at all) could get moved up if there's a need.

  • David S. Wallens

    Jan. 30, 2009 4:40 p.m. David S. Wallens Editorial Director

    I think an important aspect is also knowing the publication. Do they run first-person accounts? If not, they're probably not going to be receptive to yours. Today we had someone hint about some editorial that doesn't really go with our mix. I'd even bet that they're not a regular reader. Know the publication, whether it's us, the New Yorker or a local paper.

    As far the backlog, there is one, kind of. We plan out the editorial a year in advance. It helps keep things even and makes it easier to do promotions, sell ads, schedule test days, etc. That doesn't mean that we don't fudge things, but it does mean that we're not in a panic to fill pages inside the feature well.

    Rejection: That's part of writing. In fact, the first time I approached Tim, I was told that they had things handled. Guess what? I still submitted some photos and got a few published. And look where that went. Also, I admit that I have gotten better at telling people no. Someone recently asked if they could do a tech story for us. It was a bit narrow in scope and required calling in some favors. As we had zero track record with the guy (and didn't even know if he could write), I had to decline.

    I always tell prospective writers to follow the Carl Heideman Approach. Several years ago Carl called out of the blue. He said that he was a regular reader and wanted to submit some stories. We hung up, and a few minutes later I got his submission via e-mail. The editorial perfect fit our mix and was well written. Add to that the fact that Carl was polite and didn't ramble on about stuff.

    When it comes to basic skills, experience pays off. I don't want to see your published clips. That just tells me how well it was edited. I want to see the raw copy. That tells a lot. And like most anything else, practice pays off. Write and write often. If you enjoy writing, it will show.

  • Tim Baxter

    Jan. 30, 2009 5:07 p.m. Tim Baxter Online Editor

    David, as I recall you rejected my first submission, too, but gave me a chance on another.

  • friedgreencorrado

    Jan. 30, 2009 10:51 p.m. friedgreencorrado New Reader

    Seems like motorsport isn't the only thing y'all do in a "grassroots" fashion. Hearing stories like David & Tim's makes me want to break out the back issues.

  • Kramer

    Jan. 31, 2009 7:37 p.m. Kramer Reader

    In order to get some readers' submissions in the rag, maybe GRM could ask for some input regarding an upcoming article. The article could have short sidebars from a few different readers, giving different points-of-view or ideas.

  • Mental

    Feb. 2, 2009 9:44 a.m. Mental UltraDork

    David, that is exactly what I was looking for, Thanks! (and I am not saying that to suck up and take my submission)

 

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