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Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
11/15/11 1:30 p.m.
Schmidlap wrote: I'm just curious, how many other stock 4 seat, 200mph cars exist?

Topping 200 is a silly measure without a time component. There is no road racing or drag racing venue long enough to get there in North America so it is irrelevant unless you take it to the salt flats or Talledega.

I want to know what it weighs with a set of lightweight wheels, CF hood / deck / glass fenders, interior gutted to just a CF race seat, cage, fire bottle and belts. Once I see that number is still 3200lbs... I probably just want the motor / trans from a wreck to stuff into something more worthy of that power.

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed Dork
11/15/11 1:34 p.m.

It's official.........I must be an old geezer. I realize it's mostly just bragging rights but 200 mph, does it matter? 0-60 mph that could come in handy. 60-0 extremely useful. Lateral Gs, yes very good but 200 versus say........oh mid 180s......just not that important on a street car unless you are at Bonneville.

You know what would really shock and amaze me? 200 MPG. Told you.......... I must be getting old.

Cotton
Cotton Dork
11/15/11 1:46 p.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
Schmidlap wrote: I'm just curious, how many other stock 4 seat, 200mph cars exist?

Topping 200 is a silly measure without a time component. There is no road racing or drag racing venue long enough to get there in North America so it is irrelevant unless you take it to the salt flats or Talledega.

I want to know what it weighs with a set of lightweight wheels, CF hood / deck / glass fenders, interior gutted to just a CF race seat, cage, fire bottle and belts. Once I see that number is still 3200lbs... I probably just want the motor / trans from a wreck to stuff into something more worthy of that power.

I'd like to see what it would do at the Texas mile or one of the other airstrip style land speed events. I plan to hit Ohio in April for their event on my k1200s. It might not hit it's claimed 170MPH top speed, but I'll bet I'm close.

Xceler8x
Xceler8x SuperDork
11/15/11 2:16 p.m.

Does anyone know the drag coefficient of that body style? If we know that we can calculate the amount of horsepower it would take to drag the body through the air. That would then get us in the ballpark of if this thing can really do 200 mph. If those numbers jive we'll have to factor in rolling resistance, surface variances (slippery salt like at Bonneville or tarmac like on a retired runway), and consider other factors that people smarter than myself will definitely bring up.

Xceler8x
Xceler8x SuperDork
11/15/11 2:20 p.m.

Well...if you want something done right.

Drag calculator here.

Front area, Drag coefficient (Cd) of a 2012 Boss GT here.

When I punch the numbers in I get this:

Horsepower needed = 584.5882352941177

Horsepower lost to drag = 464.64

So if it's geared right...looks like it's possible with 600 hp.

Damn.

So next we'll use the 2012 Boss 'Stang's gearing to see if it's possible.

Gear calculator here.

Top gear in the 2012 Boss is geared for a top of 247 mph.

Double Damn.

cwh
cwh SuperDork
11/15/11 2:23 p.m.

For what it's worth, I read in Hot Rod years ago that a second gen Firebird, with minor aero tweaks, needed 600hp to clock 200 at Bonneville. Of course, how does the cD compare between those two, and what is the frontal area. Interesting idea.

EvanR
EvanR Reader
11/15/11 2:30 p.m.
Feedyurhed wrote: You know what would really shock and amaze me? 200 MPG. Told you.......... I must be getting old.

I'm with you, and I'm wondering how and when it's going to end.

The first muscle-car era ended with a combination of high insurance rates, pending emissions control, and the price of gas.

I don't see any of those factors ending this horsepower race. Where is the limit this time? The only one I can see is the natural limit, if the manufacturers run out of buyers.

Frankly, at this rate, I expect a 1000-HP Mustang by 2020.

bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
11/15/11 2:34 p.m.

In reply to EvanR:

I would think the limit will be rising CAFE and emission standards. Oh, and environmentalist weenies.

Hal
Hal Dork
11/15/11 2:43 p.m.
bravenrace wrote: In reply to EvanR: I would think the limit will be rising CAFE and emission standards. Oh, and environmentalist weenies.

You forgot one. The insurance companies setting rates so high none of us can afford them.

Cotton
Cotton Dork
11/15/11 2:53 p.m.
Hal wrote:
bravenrace wrote: In reply to EvanR: I would think the limit will be rising CAFE and emission standards. Oh, and environmentalist weenies.

You forgot one. The insurance companies setting rates so high none of us can afford them.

Demographic with mean a lot. The fastest bike I own is half the cost to insure as my other bike. Why? Apparently hoodlums ride Triumph Speed Triples and old geezers ride the BMW k1200s. The BMW has 30 more HP, a higher top speed, and beats the Triumph in pretty much every performance cateogory, but the BMW is $300 for full coverage to the Triumph's $600. Same insurance company, rider, etc.

My point is not too many kids will be buying 55k muscle cars and balling them up, so hopefully our rates will stay calm. Just look at the rates for Corvettes and Vipers.

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
11/15/11 3:50 p.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
Schmidlap wrote: I'm just curious, how many other stock 4 seat, 200mph cars exist?

Topping 200 is a silly measure without a time component. There is no road racing or drag racing venue long enough to get there in North America so it is irrelevant unless you take it to the salt flats or Talledega.

I don't think that's a well qualified statement Snorklewacker. Just off of the top of my head, there's 4 races a year at Bonneville with a pure stock classification where 200 is possible (even the 3 clowns from Top Gear did it). There's also the ECTA which used to run Maxton (a 1-mile drag race basically) that has moved and does 3 meets a year. There's also the Silver State Challenge and about a dozen other Nevada open road races (like the Spectre 3:41, etc). SCTA still runs races at El Mirage and other lakebeds. I'm sure there's even more out there.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
11/15/11 3:57 p.m.

In reply to Javelin:

Well,Ok. There are a few venues where it is possible to reach top speed. The first sentence - sans a time component - is where I will make my stand. It will reach 200 in...(insert some measure of time)?

Really I'm just grumpy that the car is a huge, giant pig and no amount of performance will satisfy me until the weight comes down. I don't care how well the fat girl can dance because I don't dance with fat girls.

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 Dork
11/15/11 4:02 p.m.

But this is like a fat girl with HUUUUGE bazongas.

neon4891
neon4891 SuperDork
11/15/11 4:29 p.m.
Teh E36 M3 wrote: But this is like a fat girl with HUUUUGE bazongas.

But when they end up going below her waist, I'll pass.

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
11/15/11 4:53 p.m.

Not that I don't agree with you about her propensity towards ho-hos, but it is the lightest of the "pony" (Clydesdale) cars and the 5.8L GT500 is lighter than the less powerful 5.4L versions, for what it's worth (not much).

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
11/15/11 4:54 p.m.
Javelin wrote: Not that I don't agree with you about her propensity towards ho-hos, but it is the lightest of the "pony" (Clydesdale) cars and the 5.8L GT500 is lighter than the less powerful 5.4L versions, for what it's worth (not much).

dean1484
dean1484 SuperDork
11/16/11 6:13 a.m.

The funny part is I drove one of the 300HP v6 ones the other day and it seemed quite fast compared to my 94 V6. 600+ HP Holey @#$!. That must be bonkers.

Ian F
Ian F SuperDork
11/16/11 6:45 a.m.

An Autoweek article offers a few more details:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111114/LOSANGELES/111119925?utm_source=DailyDrive20111115&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=missedarticle2&utm_content=20111114-Ford_boosts_Mustang_Shelby_GT500_to_650_hp_for_2013_model&utm_campaign=awdailydrive

Apaprently, there will be aero tweaks in addition to the hp bump.

More relevent to us in the trenches is the new Recaro sports seats available down to the V6 models. Sweet.

novaderrik
novaderrik Dork
11/16/11 7:04 a.m.

pfft.. Car Craft had a streetable stock bodied Mustang that went 200mph- back in 1993..

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
11/16/11 7:29 a.m.
Javelin wrote: * Porsche 911 (997) GT2 - 203

I'll narrow that list a little. Two seats my friend!

93EXCivic
93EXCivic SuperDork
11/16/11 8:28 a.m.

What is the cheapest 200mph car right now?

slantvaliant
slantvaliant Dork
11/16/11 8:42 a.m.
Javelin wrote:
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
Schmidlap wrote: I'm just curious, how many other stock 4 seat, 200mph cars exist?

There is no road racing or drag racing venue long enough to get there in North America so it is irrelevant unless you take it to the salt flats or Talledega.

There's also the Silver State Challenge and about a dozen other Nevada open road races (like the Spectre 3:41, etc). SCTA still runs races at El Mirage and other lakebeds. I'm sure there's even more out there.

... such as the Big Bend Open Road Race in Texas. The Unlimited Class cars hit 200 on the longer straights.

Sorry, gotta get the plugs in for my favorite race when and where I can.

alfadriver
alfadriver SuperDork
11/16/11 8:49 a.m.
novaderrik wrote: pfft.. Car Craft had a streetable stock bodied Mustang that went 200mph- back in 1993..

streetable isn't nearly the same as certified.

There are quite a few "streetable" cars that have done +200mph (including a twin turbo Supra that I saw go 260mph). But making them emissions legal in all manners, and NTHSA legal, etc etc, are not trivial things to do.

And most "streetable" 200mph cars have a lot more money in them than the cost of this Mustang. Granted, quite a bot of that is just pure cool craftsmanship. Very cool. but still.

alfadriver
alfadriver SuperDork
11/16/11 8:50 a.m.
bravenrace wrote: In reply to EvanR: I would think the limit will be rising CAFE and emission standards. Oh, and environmentalist weenies.

That's probably a 40 year old quote.

Still hasn't shown to be true, yet.

ultraclyde
ultraclyde HalfDork
11/16/11 9:20 a.m.

I want a set of those rims for mine.

Back in 05 or 06, Hot Rod Mag (I think) did a standing mile test and invited anyone who wanted to run. They also trapped the vehicles at 2 miles and measured acceleration Gs throughout. Vortech took an 05 GT with their big supercharger kit and some aero tweaks (no rear wing, taped seams, etc) It wasn't the fastest in the mile, but at the 2 mile it was doing 192 MPH, and at one mile it was accelerating at harder Gs than anything except the Indy car IIRC. I think they estimated it at 550 wheel HP or so. In other words, it would take you less than 2 miles to see 200 in that GT500, easy.

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