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Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Associate Editor
5/30/17 2:49 p.m.
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The new Honda Civic Si was not built to win the internet. If you’re a hardcore autocrosser, you probably shouldn’t ditch your latest flavor du jour. If you wish that the 4x100mm bolt pattern was still common on all new cars, then this also isn’t for you. This isn’t a Focus RS or a Civic Type R. It’s also not a unicorn–like turbocharged, stick-shift diesel wagon wearing brown paint from the factory.

Instead, the Civic Si is a car clearly built for the more common enthusiasts driving on normal public roads. It’s through that lens that this latest, all-new Civic Si becomes much, much more appealing.

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mazdeuce
mazdeuce MegaDork
5/30/17 2:55 p.m.

I salute them for building a "pedestrian" Civic Si and keeping the LSD. Well done Honda.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
5/30/17 4:17 p.m.

Yeah, happy to see the limited-slip and manual box remain, too.

Gearheadotaku
Gearheadotaku PowerDork
5/30/17 8:47 p.m.

LSD, 6-speed and a choice of 2 or 4 doors? Why can't everyone do this? Thank you for keeping the small coupe alive!

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy PowerDork
6/1/17 6:01 p.m.

It seems like the new Sentra Nismo is a little bit tamer than the last version - I understand with Honda coming out with the Type R to blow you away so the Civic Si is a little tamer now.

Maybe Nissan is coming out with a Sentra Nismo Spec V 510 version that will blow us away? Nah, that would never happen.

Robbie
Robbie UberDork
6/1/17 6:16 p.m.

The big question is, will we talk about the CTR in ten years like we talk about the ITR today?

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/1/17 7:53 p.m.

Also, I should mention that I'm a long-time Civic Si owner. Right now my wife daily drives our 2014 Civic Si sedan. Before that, a 2000 Si Coupe that bought new. And before that, we had a '92 and an '86. And we lived with our '02 Si project car for a while. Plus we had a pair of CRXs.

Today, I admit, faster options exist. Still, we keep coming back to the Si. For a daily, it's hard to beat. We got our '14 new. Trips to the dealer so far? Zero. I like that.

JeffHarbert
JeffHarbert HalfDork
6/1/17 8:11 p.m.

Glad that the red paint makes those jowls look smaller.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce MegaDork
6/1/17 8:36 p.m.

I just saw an ad on TV for the Ridgeline, Si, and TypeR​!
I don't watch much network TV, but I was surprised.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy PowerDork
6/1/17 9:59 p.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens:

I drove a 2011 5-speed Accord for 6 years - 152,000 miles with no problems. I would buy an Si next but I can't 800# of conveyor belt in it like I did in my truck today.

I miss my little 5-speed, 4-cylinder Honda - that little engine just sang.

sjd
sjd New Reader
6/1/17 10:10 p.m.
David S. Wallens wrote: Today, I admit, faster options exist. Still, we keep coming back to the Si. For a daily, it's hard to beat. We got our '14 new. Trips to the dealer so far? Zero. I like that.

We have a 2015 Si sedan as well as a 2000 Si and couldn't agree more. In two years with the 2015, we haven't had a single issue either, which is attractive in a daily driver. In Canada it was a lot cheaper than those faster options too.

Lugnut
Lugnut Dork
6/1/17 10:32 p.m.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugly.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
6/2/17 7:24 a.m.

On paper, it seems to line up nicely with the Fiesta ST more than the Focus ST. Similar HP/Weight ratio and price. The Civic trumps the FiST with a LSD but the FiST apparently trumps the Civic with a better chassis/handling. If it goes to HS, might be interesting with a set of Konis on it.

chrispy
chrispy HalfDork
6/2/17 9:00 a.m.

A previous gen (or 2) Civic Si is on my short list as my next DD/autox car. I was gifted, and drove, an '06 auto Civic for a year or so and liked everything about the car, just wish it was a manual. It had over 180K when I sold it with just basic maintenance. Glad to see the positive reviews. I'm having trouble getting over the exterior styling of the all of the new Civics.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/6/17 10:08 a.m.

For a minute there, I thought I jinxed our Civic Si by noting that it has never needed a trip to the dealer. My wife picked me up from the airport late, late Saturday night. As we made a right turn in our neighborhood, we both heard a noise--and not a good one. "Yeah, I heard that earlier today," my wife said, "but I looked under the car and inside the wheel wells and didn't see anything weird."

Okay, we'll look more tomorrow.

We went for a drive around the neighborhood and heard it. It kinda sounded like maybe it was a rear bushing. So we looked again under the car. Nothing. It's super-clean everywhere.

Later that day my wife found the culprit: It was something in the trunk. There's not much in there, but something somehow was resonating under certain conditions.

Mystery solved.

Tony Sestito
Tony Sestito PowerDork
6/6/17 10:18 a.m.

I've been keeping an eye on these for a potential daily driver replacement for when my Mazda finally gives up the ghost. On paper, they look great: high 30's for MPG, cool stereo, a 205hp turbocharged engine, a real LSD, and (implied) Honda reliability. But, they are kinda ugly, and if you are going to get kinda ugly, why not crank the weirdness to 11 and offer this package on the hatchback/liftback thing?

Also, when is the Accord Sport going to get this drivetrain or a variant of it? That would be a great compromise of decent looks and turbocharged sportiness. And please, don't forget the LSD!

jj
jj HalfDork
8/15/17 6:25 p.m.

I just bought one. Only driven it three times so far, so not much in the way of impressions yet. The interior is very nice for what it is. The steering is great. I actually disagree with the GRM review about the shocks, I can tell the difference in sport mode.

The Type R rear sway bar is only $96 and will be one of the first things I do. Also, the strut towers are pre-slotted. I bought the sedan; the coupe to me is still too boy racerish. Couldn't talk the dealer off MSRP though, but at least no mark up. They also had a hatchback sport 6MT in stock that they would drop $1,300 off to $21,300, but the Si sold me.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/16/17 7:45 a.m.

Congratulations. What color?

jj
jj HalfDork
8/16/17 8:52 a.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens:

In Black. It looks nice, and the fake bumper vents don't stand out as much.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/16/17 9:05 a.m.

Cool. Good choice.

docwyte
docwyte SuperDork
8/16/17 9:17 a.m.

Both the Si and the Type R are seriously FUGLY. That, in and of itself, is more than enough to keep me from buying one, no matter how good a car they are.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
8/16/17 10:31 a.m.

I am enjoy

jj
jj HalfDork
8/16/17 10:33 a.m.

It honestly looks much better in person, but I understand how some could say that.

On a side note, it has the same bolt pattern as my 94 mustang track car. The civic's offset is 45mm, mustang's is 30mm. That would be extremely convenient if I could use the same track wheels on both cars.

racerdave600
racerdave600 UltraDork
8/16/17 2:21 p.m.

I finally looked at a Type R in the flesh. It's still pretty ugly, but the worst part was the price. The were asking $47k and wouldn't budge.

irish44j
irish44j UltimaDork
8/16/17 3:47 p.m.

It's a shame they couldn't make the Type R LOOK like the SI. A bit of sporty/honda "ricey"ness, but not teenage fanboi level. That said, when the WRX finally bites the dust I will likely swing by the Honda dealer and check this out. I said I wasn't going back to FWD, but maybe I'm coming around since this one has an LSD and 6MT.....

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