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The Harvey brothers dominated autocross in an obsolete Datsun a couple decades ago.
Fresh of his crushing defeat of our two time champion, here is your returning champ,
the teutonic terror, the one that started the cult that is the BMW sports sedan, the one, the only, BMW 2002tii
Operations note: I will be delayed in updating the fights over the next week. The soft rule of 2~3 days for about 2 pages maybe stretched abit for I will be in Miami at the boat show. Be patient, I have an idea for the next fight!
OP is sticking with the GTV-6, although that is one sexy 2002
Still have to go GTV6, sexy, balanced, handling king, hemi V6, glorious sounds.
and still Champion
I want the GTV6, but I feel like the 2002tii would be less masochistic.
G T V 6
Hands down for me.
GTV... I would have paired it against the E30 M3
The tii is an 02 with...fuel injection? Big deal
I have and love a 2002. It's not a tii, it's better (well, it will be again when it's reassembled)
That being said, I have a visceral reaction when I see a GTV6 like few cars on earth. Not sure why I don't feel doomed to own one in the same way I do some sort of British sports car, a Jaguar, another go at something with a V8...
Perhaps I just have some sort of fundamental hangup on my own personal aesthetic being compatible with things British, American, German, and Japanese, but feel like I just don't have the necessary flair for Italian cars.
EDIT: My actual vote... Of the two cars above? GTV6.
GTV6, all the way.
I do have a genuine soft spot for the 2002, and the performance and restoration aftermarket seems to be reams stronger, but that V6... Hubba.
Luke wrote: Alfa. The tii is an 02 with...fuel injection? Big deal
Should have been a rare turbo
mad_machine wrote:Luke wrote: Alfa. The tii is an 02 with...fuel injection? Big deal
Should have been a rare turbo
Then the Alfa would have had to be a Callaway:
There are plenty of performance parts available for the GTV6, but yeah, a lot of restoration stuff is a little more difficult. A lot of the drivetrain parts are actually quite cheap, especially for good used parts.
Tii, and I want mine to be a 74 with the big tail lights. Ha!
I'll take the Bimmer please and thank you.
I like everything about the Alfa but the back end. It just doesn't look right.
I have a nostalgic fondness for the 2002tii. I used to catch rides home from college breaks with a girl who had a battleship gray 72 or 73 tii. It was a neat little car, and she was one of only two women I've known who knew how to drive a stick shift very well. The other is my wife!
In spite of all that, I choose the GTV-6.
2002 is sexy, GTV-6 is awkward looking to my eye although not unattractive. The M10 is a soldier of a motor but I love the way the alfa motors sound and I hear they are actually not too terrible to own. Maybe an Alfa swap into a 2002 would be tasty.
Otherwise... 2002tii all the way.
GTV6 for me please.
I'll have the tii, thanks.
I like BMWs, I own two, I own two of what most BMW fanatics consider one of the ugliest bmws made.. the Ti.
But I never found the 02 all that appealing as a shape. It was conceived in that awkward time between the late fifties/early sixties curves.. and the straight edges of the late sixties/seventies... and in my humble opinion.. just never quite worked as a design.
The driving is phenominal though.. as long as I do not have to look at the car. The E21 was prettier
The Alfa is like the hot girl next door, where the 2002 is like your aunt Mildred.
You guys really shock me sometimes. Never knew there was so much alfa love.
I never really looked at the GTV6 as some kind of unobtainable vehicle- they were always easier to get than good GTV's of the previous model (as seen in the U2.5 Trans Am thread). Seriously- I don't know if you could live with one for a super long time, but I suggest that you should make an honest attempt to get one. Just even for a month. alfabb.com has a good classifieds, and aroc-usa.org should have some as well.
The V6 really is a gem of a motor. And IMHO, the 2V 3.0l is better than the 4V one. We had a 4V one for about a decade in a 164, but I really loved the time we had a loaner when it was being worked on. '91 164's are almost a dime a dozen, and it's not all that hard dropping one into a GTV6. Helps that the trans in in the back of the car.....
A really good GTV6 is a bunch cheaper to find than a good 2002. 2002's are much like the earlier GTVs- very strong following, sometimes to the point of insanity. GTV6's are just insane owners...
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