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Moparman
Moparman Reader
9/24/10 8:17 p.m.

It's official, my son at 6'4" cannot fit in our nearly-finished 85 Rx7. With that in mind, I swapped him my old (with new engine) 84 Charger 2.2 FSP car. My goal now is to finish the FB. On the street I want to use the OEM wheels. Since the car is a three season car which will be driven less than 3,000 miles per year, I want the best handling 13 inch non-R tires. Looking for ideas.

Please help me.

wcelliot
wcelliot HalfDork
9/24/10 9:12 p.m.

Not many choices in a non-R. I'm running 215/50-13 Sumi HTR-200's on the Fiesta... a good buy and likely the best choice but I almost regret not going for R-'s... these are not really impressive.

unevolved
unevolved HalfDork
9/24/10 9:19 p.m.

It may be a wise investment to find some used 4x110 wheels in 14 or 15. 15s are rarer, but 14s can be found fairly regularly on RX7Club. As wcelliot pointed out, saying tire choices in 13" are sparse is generous.

Toyman01
Toyman01 SuperDork
9/24/10 9:20 p.m.

Sumitomo are a decent street tire. That's what's on my OEM FB wheels. If you put them on the autocross course they will feather quickly. For a street tire I was pretty happy with them. For autocross, not so much.

SkinnyG
SkinnyG Reader
9/24/10 10:19 p.m.

Ditto. HTR-200's on the Locost. Grand street tire. And cheap. Not an autocross tire.

jr02518
jr02518 New Reader
9/24/10 10:25 p.m.

https://www.tiresbyweb.com/p-8497-vredestein-sprint-classic-tires.aspx

Check out the 205/60/13.

If you can work with the 185/70/13, check out how much you can save.

David

oldsaw
oldsaw SuperDork
9/24/10 10:28 p.m.

Hard to beat Sumitomo's in price vs. performance comparo's - more so when you're using 13" wheels.

With your low mileage estimates, full-tread R's might be a good, but more expensive, compromise. Kumho offers some interesting sizes, but they are not cheap.

fifty
fifty Reader
9/24/10 11:03 p.m.

Legends cars run on a Spec street tire (ie. >180 treadwear) : 205/13R60 BFGoodrich TA Comp HR4 .

They are produced specifically for the race series, might be tough to find locally.

Moparman
Moparman Reader
9/24/10 11:03 p.m.

The car will probably not see much autocross duty. I have an FSP Neon for that. Just want the best tire I can get for fair weather use. This will be a weekend go to dinner with my wife car. I sometimes use my Shelby Dakota for that, but I am always afraid of parking lot or hit and run damage. I use the Shelby for cruise nights.

Hey, there is another thread discussing 80s' car collections. I guess with my Charger, Shelby and RX7, I have an 80s collection althought not one which many people want.

Back to tires. I actually considered R tires for the heck of it, but the HTR 200s are probably the way to go.

Moparman
Moparman Reader
9/24/10 11:04 p.m.

In reply to fifty:

Who sells them?

fifty
fifty Reader
9/24/10 11:06 p.m.
Moparman wrote: In reply to fifty: Who sells them?

Actually, the 2010 tire is this: http://koleso.topof.ru/en/news.php?pID=6080

No idea who sells them , my understanding is they are produced only for the race series.

Moparman
Moparman Reader
9/24/10 11:11 p.m.

In reply to fifty:

OK, but racers have to buy them from somewhere.

oldsaw
oldsaw SuperDork
9/24/10 11:15 p.m.
Moparman wrote: The car will probably not see much autocross duty. I have an FSP Neon for that. Just want the best tire I can get for fair weather use. This will be a weekend go to dinner with my wife car. I sometimes use my Shelby Dakota for that, but I am always afraid of parking lot or hit and run damage. I use the Shelby for cruise nights. Hey, there is another thread discussing 80s' car collections. I guess with my Charger, Shelby and RX7, I have an 80s collection althought not one which many people want. Back to tires. I actually considered R tires for the heck of it, but the HTR 200s are probably the way to go.

If the car won't see much competition, definitely go with the Sumi's.

On an RX7 the 205/60-13's are the same diameter as the original 185/70-13's. The 215/50-13's have a bit more width and (possibly) a bit more sidewall stiffness but are shorter andwill have some effect on speedo readings.

Moparman
Moparman Reader
9/25/10 7:47 a.m.

In reply to oldsaw:

I was thiking 205s. They will enough of a squeeze on the narrow RX7 wheels. 215s would be too wide.

wcelliot
wcelliot HalfDork
9/25/10 8:21 a.m.

I lament the loss of the 205/60-13 Yoko Intermediate. Wore nearly as fast as an R, but was cheap and readily available... I gave up my original Corvair Minilities in protest when I could no longer get them... but now of course I can only get a single H-rated tire of suitable size for my 14" Minilites...

Moparman
Moparman Reader
9/27/10 5:18 p.m.

Found a place which carries the 13 inch Comp TAs for Legends cars. $99 a piece. The question is: Are the \y better than the HTR 200s?

BluEvo210
BluEvo210 New Reader
4/4/12 8:26 p.m.
wcelliot wrote: I lament the loss of the 205/60-13 Yoko Intermediate.

Me, too. I need to replace that very tire, on some 13"x6" wheels, on my Datsun 210 wagon. I was considering the Vredestein Sprint Classic, actually...

I have the Sumitomo HTR 200 on my Datsun's OE rims. Now that I'm responding to a thread from 2010, the HTR 200s seem to be less and less available. In case anyone wonders: You weren't missing anything.

I remember when my Yokohamas were in their prime, and my Datsun actually had grip. I remember autocrossing my 240SX on Kumho Ecsta XS. I also have an Evo that came from the dealer with Treadwear 180 or so. Compared to that grip, turning with the HTR200 is like hydroplaning all the time.

The Comp TAs for Legends cars must be better than that, if you can get them.

Osterkraut
Osterkraut UltraDork
4/4/12 8:46 p.m.

Slim pickings in 13", as everyone else has said. Javelin has some nice period-correct 14" for cheap in 4x110.

Vigo
Vigo SuperDork
4/4/12 9:16 p.m.

In and of itself, comparing HTR200s to Ecsta XS and friggin ADVANS invalidates whatever your conclusions may have been. That's about as apples to oranges as it gets.

All the people who still need 13" tires are much more likely to wish they had the htr200 back than bitch about how they arent FTD-capable...

poopshovel
poopshovel PowerDork
4/4/12 9:54 p.m.

Hoosier R25A?

T.J.
T.J. UberDork
4/4/12 9:59 p.m.

175/50/13 Yokohoma A539? Too skinny for you I think.link

fast_eddie_72
fast_eddie_72 SuperDork
4/4/12 11:10 p.m.

Wow, this thread skipped right over 2011.

Sure wish you could still get the 205/60 13 Sumitomos. They're great tires for stoopid money. Or, they were.

Ian F
Ian F UberDork
4/5/12 6:20 a.m.
T.J. wrote: 175/50/13 Yokohoma A539? Too skinny for you I think.link

Wow. $170 for such a tiny tire. That almost makes bicycle tires look cheap.

Personally, I'm not shedding a tear over the HTR200 at all. There are other 175/70-13 tires out there that will work fine on LBC's. The Sumitomo just deluded you into thinking you were buying a cheap performance tire when it wasn't even close to being one.

njansenv
njansenv Dork
4/5/12 6:51 a.m.

What about RA1's? More streetable than you would think, especially on a light car, and resistant to heat cycling.

Ian F
Ian F UberDork
4/5/12 9:55 a.m.

In reply to njansenv:

Available in a Spit friendly 185/60-13 size too... it's tempting... how well do they work in the rain? The other downside would be having to swap on a set of storage tires/wheels for the winter, but that's not terribly difficult. Oh... and it appears they aren't cheap: over $150 ea.

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