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  • bruceman

    July 16, 2008 8:39 p.m. bruceman New Reader

    Stock rally cross rules for '09 require non adjustable shocks. So in your experience what would be the best bang for the buck?

  • fiat22turbo

    July 16, 2008 11:08 p.m. fiat22turbo SuperDork

    Bilstein

  • pinchvalve

    July 16, 2008 11:15 p.m. pinchvalve SuperDork

    Tokico Blue.

  • JG Pasterjak

    July 17, 2008 8:22 a.m. JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director

    Koni FSD

    (NOTE: You now have three opinions from three people. The takeaway message from this should probably be that there are many options, most of them pretty good.)

    jg

  • fastEddie

    July 17, 2008 8:44 a.m. fastEddie Dork

    +1 on the Tokico HP Blues - I have 4 sitting in my garage now to go on the Max here shortly.

  • poopshovel

    July 17, 2008 8:46 a.m. poopshovel Dork

    Truck shocks, truck shocks, truck shocks.

  • belteshazzar

    July 17, 2008 8:52 a.m. belteshazzar Dork

    bilsteins.

    Oh wait, grm.... er. used bilsteins

  • Per Schroeder

    July 17, 2008 9:02 a.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

    Used Bilsteins don't have a lifetime warranty.

    New Bilsteins do.

    KYB GR2s aren't bad either, also have some sort of warranty.

  • John Brown

    July 17, 2008 9:12 a.m. John Brown UltimaDork

    Wouldn't it be best to know the vehicle being used before suggesting the shocks?

  • Per Schroeder

    July 17, 2008 9:20 a.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

    Well, it's either a Miata or....

  • John Brown

    July 17, 2008 9:20 a.m. John Brown UltimaDork

    What was I thinking...

    Nothing to see here.

  • bruceman

    July 17, 2008 11:02 a.m. bruceman New Reader

    1990 Rx7

  • Travis_K

    July 17, 2008 11:07 a.m. Travis_K New Reader

    In my experience, bilstiens are excelent, konis are fair to decent depending on the vehicle, KYB GR2s are acceptable for a dailly driver, and tokico blues are really quite bad.

  • Salanis

    July 17, 2008 11:12 a.m. Salanis Dork

    Keith warned me against Tokico blues. I just watched one fail at Thunderhill last week (was driving behind a miata that had one die).

  • belteshazzar

    July 17, 2008 11:15 a.m. belteshazzar Dork

    Travis_K wrote:

    In my experience, bilstiens are excelent, konis are fair to decent depending on the vehicle, KYB GR2s are acceptable for a dailly driver, and tokico blues are really quite bad.

    EXACTLY my experience.

  • bruceman

    July 17, 2008 12:50 p.m. bruceman New Reader

    Is there such a thing aas a non-adjustable Koni?

  • evildky

    July 17, 2008 12:51 p.m. evildky Dork

    I've had good luck with the Tokiko's, ran them in 2 of my challenge cars

  • fiat22turbo

    July 17, 2008 12:53 p.m. fiat22turbo SuperDork

    Koni FSD. Per talked about them in the magazine when they were used on the Cooper S.

    KYB GR-2's are OEM replacements, not performance shocks. For mild rally courses they probably wouldn't be too bad.

  • belteshazzar

    July 17, 2008 12:55 p.m. belteshazzar Dork

    I'm probably still pissed about ordering KYB's gas-adjust dampeners only to find they're not adjustable.

  • belteshazzar

    July 17, 2008 12:55 p.m. belteshazzar Dork

    Yup. I am.

  • Per Schroeder

    July 17, 2008 3:21 p.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

    It's my understanding that most KYB GR2s are about the same as a AGX set at '2' I'm going to try them on the Neon with some taller/stiffer springs to see how they work for rallycross.

  • fiat22turbo

    July 17, 2008 5:10 p.m. fiat22turbo SuperDork

    Nope, one of the suppliers for the FWD Dodge group spoke to KYB directly about the GR-2 (since they were one of the few suppliers still offering struts for the Omni platform) and they were told that it was an OEM-equivalent.

    KYB

    Their website says for the GR-2, "restores handling and control" while under the Gas-A-Just it says, "Increases performance, stability"

    Now, of course under the GR-2 they talk about, "Components and valving are designed specifically for each application" One would seriously hope so. They also state, "Calibrated to compensate for worn suspensions" which I'm not sure what that means exactly.

  • Woodyhfd

    July 17, 2008 8:14 p.m. Woodyhfd HalfDork

    bruceman wrote:

    Is there such a thing aas a non-adjustable Koni?

    I had a set of Koni's on my 89 Civic Si that didn't have the external adjustment knob. There were still five settings, as I recall, but you had to disconnect the lower bolts and turn the whole unit. Not sure if a shock like that would be legal, but it might appear to be.

  • foxtrapper

    July 18, 2008 6:11 a.m. foxtrapper SuperDork

    bruceman wrote:

    Is there such a thing aas a non-adjustable Koni?

    Yep. Not common, but they exist. I have a set on the shelf.

  • cghstang

    July 18, 2008 6:29 a.m. cghstang New Reader

    Just double checking, are you sure about the '09 rules requiring non-adjustables? The '08 rules say:

    "Any dampers may be used but the damper must mount to the original mounting position using unmodified mounting points. Springs may also be replaced, but they must be of the same type and use original mounting points. Threaded collars and camber plates are allowed."

    Also see this thread regarding '09 rule changes: http://www.sccabb.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6869&PN=1

    I see no mention of non-adjustable dampers for prepared class ( I run in PF).

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