JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
10/21/19 1:07 p.m.

[Editor's Note: This story ran in our November 2010 issue. Some information, like David owning a CRX or Honda's CR-Z being new are no longer the case.]

If you’ve already made up your mind about the Honda CR-Z—Honda’s new sporty two-seat hybrid that not-too-accidentally invokes the spirit of the legendary CRX—you may as well stop reading. If you think that there’ll never be another CRX, and that any attempt to duplicate such an iconic and effective piece of automotive history is a fallacious attempt at recapturing the lightning in a bottle that was the first two generations of that magical car, well, we can’t really help you.

Because you’re right.

That’s not nearly the entire story, though. Please, pull up a seat and follow along as we take an objective look at both cars in an attempt to sort the truth from the prejudices. 

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pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture PowerDork
10/21/19 1:59 p.m.

Generally of note is that CR-Zs really seem to be tanking in value lately. You kind of really have to not want a Fit in order to justify one, since they are objectively slower and less practical than a Fit yet return similar real-world MPG, but they are much easier to accept as a novelty compromise car in the $6-7k range. There are more aftermarket parts available than there were when I last looked as well.

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
10/21/19 2:16 p.m.

In reply to pointofdeparture :

That's a pretty solid take and I agree with your logic. The CR-Z and Fit of a similar age are very close in price. 

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
10/21/19 2:29 p.m.

In reply to pointofdeparture :

Fits are really uncomfortable, though.  And I thought CR-Zs were good for 45+mpg while Fits were 35ish.

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
10/21/19 2:37 p.m.
Knurled. said:

In reply to pointofdeparture :

Fits are really uncomfortable, though.  And I thought CR-Zs were good for 45+mpg while Fits were 35ish.

Fuelly shows most users in the 37-41 area being the top of the bell curve for the CR-Z. I saw in the 32-34 range in my manual fit at Houston's 70 mph freeway speeds. 

 

And the CR-Z uses the same type of rear suspension as the Fit, rear twist beam.

The Fit isn't perfect, but I've never thought they were uncomfortable and I've got a bunch of miles in 1st gen and 2nd gen's They're actually 1 of 2 cars with perfect seating position for my weird ergonomics so I really like them. They're a bit louder because they skipped on sound insulation, but they're worlds more practical than the CR-Z. 

 

 

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_ HalfDork
10/21/19 3:07 p.m.

We drove a crz before buying our fit. "Fits" like a glove. The crz didn't. 

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture PowerDork
10/21/19 3:23 p.m.
Knurled. said:

In reply to pointofdeparture :

Fits are really uncomfortable, though.  And I thought CR-Zs were good for 45+mpg while Fits were 35ish.

Having driven both and before buying a 2g Fit, I would say they are equally uncomfortable. And the CR-Zs don't get anywhere near that kind of fuel economy in the real world.

I really wanted to like the CR-Z but it felt like I had to make a LOT of compromises for 5.4 MPG. The Fit felt quicker and lighter on its feet. I would probably still have my Fit if I didn't get a job that required a 20 mile freeway commute at 70MPH.


jstein77
jstein77 UberDork
10/21/19 3:28 p.m.

Why was this posted now?  Honda doesn't even sell the CR-Z anymore.

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
10/21/19 3:32 p.m.

They also don't sell Porsche 356s but they just had tech tips for them posted.. ;-)

slowbird
slowbird HalfDork
10/21/19 3:34 p.m.

I enjoyed the CR-Z in Forza 4. That's all I can contribute to this topic.

Jordan Rimpela
Jordan Rimpela Digital Editor
10/21/19 3:40 p.m.
jstein77 said:

Why was this posted now?  Honda doesn't even sell the CR-Z anymore.

When I went to post this video to our video page, I noticed that it referenced an article that had never been digitally uploaded. Since both cars can be found for sale still, I decided to upload the story to complement the video. 

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
10/21/19 8:20 p.m.

In reply to pointofdeparture :

"Comfort" is one of those things that varies person to person.  This person finds the sippycup high-chair Honda Fit driving position to be a lower back killer.  As always, your mileage may vary, etc.

boxedfox
boxedfox Reader
10/21/19 8:50 p.m.

Don't they make supercharger kits for these cars? They could make a fun daily commuter with 180-200hp under the hood.

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
10/21/19 9:15 p.m.
boxedfox said:

Don't they make supercharger kits for these cars? They could make a fun daily commuter with 180-200hp under the hood.

There is a supercharger for the CR-Z from HPD

https://www.collegehillshonda.com/product/06100-F27S-A00.html

Sprintex makes a supercharger for the Fit as well. 

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 UberDork
10/21/19 9:35 p.m.

I really enjoy the looks of the CR-Z; however, the driving experience leaves a lot to be desired for. If you were going to track a CR-Z vs. a Fit it does have some benefits. Rear discs vs. rear drums. 5x114.3 vs. 4x100 (negotiable on which is better), CR-Z came standard with a sway bar vs. the Fit which only got it on Sport models (3rd gen ditched it all together), and I'm pretty sure some of the older generation Civic Type R rear suspension bits bolt up to the CR-Z as well. The CR-Z doesn't have the best cupholder locations ever, it has that IMA stuff, a weird cargo area, 

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture PowerDork
10/21/19 9:36 p.m.

In reply to Knurled. :

Yeah, I get that. Generally speaking though the CR-Z seats were pretty much equally economy-grade with awful lumbar support which is a big deal for me personally. The lower seating position was better, but the seats themselves still sucked.

Half the reason I ended up with a GTI over safer options was the great seats...

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
10/21/19 9:38 p.m.

Edmunds also did a take on this back in the day, only they used a first-gen CRX. Here's what JPH had to say.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/2011-honda-cr-z-vs-1987-honda-crx-si.html

Vigo
Vigo MegaDork
10/22/19 11:02 a.m.

I liked my Insights and wanted to like the CR-Z, but it's a little big and a little underpowered to have such mediocre fuel economy. I posted in Mazdeuce's Fit thread about how i spent years waiting to be disappointed and give up when Honda decided not to bring the Fit Hybrid to the US.  I think there IS a middle ground for a sporty hybrid, but the CR-Z didn't find it, at least not stock. I'd be more interested in the supercharger thing if it didn't drive the cost of the entire car up by 30%, and im too lazy to turbo one myself when... I still have an Insight that would end up cooler with the same effort. cheeky​​​​​​​

NickD
NickD PowerDork
10/23/19 5:23 a.m.

I kinda forget these exist, and half the time that I see them, I think that they are an Insight. There was one that showed up to my local race track (Pineview Run) with a Rotrex supercharger kit, that I, as a big proponent of Rotrex blowers, was excited to see go, but it had a pretty inexperienced driver, so it just poked around the track at low speeds.

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
11/5/19 4:36 p.m.

I'll just leave this here. Running with Honda's R&D rally team (along with a new Passport and a Fit)

Image result for rally cr-z

Kreb
Kreb UberDork
11/5/19 5:40 p.m.

The CR-Z was a huge disappointment for me. I really like the way that it looks, and really liked the CRXs. Can you imagine what a hoot the car would be  with some real cojones? 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
11/5/19 10:35 p.m.
Kreb said:

The CR-Z was a huge disappointment for me. I really like the way that it looks, and really liked the CRXs. Can you imagine what a hoot the car would be  with some real cojones? 

A K swap into one with the batteries removed sounds like my idea of a good Time. K swapped Fits are friggin awesome. This is a lower fit. 

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