i cna get an early falcon 2-door post pretty cheap. it's either a 144 or a 170 I-6 coupled to an autotragic. i'd like to put an Atlas I-6 in there but don't know much about them. are the pans front- or rear-sump? what's the block material, and what do they weigh?
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March 15, 2011 10:09 p.m. AngryCorvair SuperDork
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March 15, 2011 10:19 p.m. Osterkraut SuperDork
In reply to AngryCorvair:
You'll need a custom oilpan due to the "hole." Pretty sure they're front stump stock. They're aluminum. About 400lb.
I want one in the Land Cruiser...bad.
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March 15, 2011 10:21 p.m. oldtin Dork
front sump, aluminum block. Not sure on the weight. I think the 4wd versions have the front diff integrated into the pan.
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March 15, 2011 10:36 p.m. Maroon92 SuperDork
A falcon post needs this.
Ford 300 + a hairdryer.
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March 16, 2011 9:25 a.m. kreb Dork
That's a great motor and a fine choice for that car. It's pretty tall - particularly with the intake sitting right there. Also, you'll need to get the tranny worked out, as I believe that motor was mainly used on AWD vehicles. You'd have less power - but an easier swap might be to use the 5 cyclinder version out of a Canyon pickup. It'll alrerady have the RWD tranny atached and still make a lot more power for less weight than the original mill.
One of the main guys at DIYautotune is an evangelist for this motor. You can find some good threads on putting one into an old Chevy pickup, megasquirting and turbocharging it.
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March 16, 2011 9:41 a.m. pres589 HalfDork
Just for fun, what about a turbo 2.4 Ecotec as pulled from a Solstice GXP or similar? 260 hp, 260 lb/ft, and should be easy to package. Probably not the cheapest thing to buy at the yard though...
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March 16, 2011 10:07 a.m. Xceler8x SuperDork
I'm with Maroon92. Take the suck out of the I6 by blowing it.
When it pukes then go the cheap 5.0 route.
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March 16, 2011 10:17 a.m. aeronca65t Dork
The Atlas/Vortec is a nice engine, but in that car,an obvious choice is a 250 inline six Mustang engine. A drop-in (mostly). The Aussies make a fair number of go-fast parts for these.
Otherwise, I'd look at the 2.3L Duratec aluminum, engine from the Ford Ranger. Already has 5 speed, rwd setupup.
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March 16, 2011 10:18 a.m. AngryCorvair SuperDork
aeronca65t wrote:
Otherwise, I'd look at the 2.3L Duratec aluminum, engine from the Ford Ranger. Already has 5 speed, rwd setupup.
I forgot all about that one. With boost, it would probably be OK in something as light as an early Falcon.
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March 16, 2011 12:08 p.m. kreb Dork
Hell, the Duratec would move that car along pretty well normally aspirated. A '63 falcon with an old SBF in it runs about 2550 lbs. A fully-dressed Duratec would probably drop you to 2200-2300 lbs.
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March 16, 2011 1:41 p.m. bravenrace SuperDork
pres589 wrote:
Just for fun, what about a turbo 2.4 Ecotec as pulled from a Solstice GXP or similar? 260 hp, 260 lb/ft, and should be easy to package. Probably not the cheapest thing to buy at the yard though...
The turbo engine is a 2.0. I'm just sayin'.
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March 16, 2011 2:32 p.m. John Brown SuperDork
All I can say is, yes.
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March 16, 2011 4:02 p.m. 93EXCivic SuperDork
Do it!
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March 16, 2011 6:52 p.m. Schmidlap HalfDork
Here's a build thread of a 4200 Atlas swapped into a Supra. It covers quite a bit of stuff including manual trans options, modifying the oil pan and other stuff.
It sounds like a really cool project, I say go for it!
Bob
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March 17, 2011 6:33 a.m. stan SuperDork
Ok, you go with motor X. Are you going to address the handling? What are your plans for the car ultimately?
These keep calling my name...
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March 17, 2011 7:00 a.m. aeronca65t Dork
I have a long-time affection for 1st and 2nd Gen Falcons. Before I started my Austin vintage race car project, I looked for a decent, stock Falcon and calculated the cost of building one into a racer.
In the end, I went to the Austin: more my "style". But I still really like those old Falcons. It would great to build a Monte Carlo Rally Sprint replica and go vintage racing with it.
A west coast first-gen racer (Michael Eisenberg: owner)
Second gen in the UK (Goodwood?)
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March 17, 2011 7:11 a.m. stan SuperDork
That west coast car makes my mouth water.....
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March 17, 2011 9:37 a.m. AngryCorvair SuperDork
In reply to aeronca65t:
yeah, that "late first-gen" sprint is ridiculous. huge tires tucked inside old bodywork makes my pants tight.
as far as how i would set it up: i'd investigate converting to s197 macstruts / LCAs / steering, but might just end up doing the "shelby drop" on the UCAs, replacing all the wear parts, uprating springs and shocks, bigger bars, converting to S197 GT brakes (i've designed a kit for '67 - '69 mustangs with OE drums), and adding a set of Bullitt wheels to pack some decent rubber under it.
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March 17, 2011 12:01 p.m. Xceler8x SuperDork
AngryCorvair wrote:
In reply to aeronca65t:
yeah, that "late first-gen" sprint is ridiculous. huge tires tucked inside old bodywork makes my pants tight.
as far as how i would set it up: i'd investigate converting to s197 macstruts / LCAs / steering, but might just end up doing the "shelby drop" on the UCAs, replacing all the wear parts, uprating springs and shocks, bigger bars, converting to S197 GT brakes (i've designed a kit for '67 - '69 mustangs with OE drums), and adding a set of Bullitt wheels to pack some decent rubber under it.
Sounds like you have a great plan. If anyone can pull this off, you can.
You could also do the Andy trick and see what suspension bits you can find from the oval track guys. The Griswold Truckster at the last ChumpCar race had a take off suspension from some roundy round racer. That thing would corner.
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March 17, 2011 12:42 p.m. RossD Dork
Zetec and a four speed? (I have both for sale if the price is right...)
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March 18, 2011 10:13 a.m. AngryCorvair SuperDork
In reply to RossD:
Thanks, but after reading the Atlas into Supra build thread, I'm back to my idea of using the DOHC 4.2L inline 6.
