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  • Keith

    Dec. 8, 2011 6:56 p.m. Keith SuperDork

    Easiest way - find a car that has flares like the ones you need, cut them off and weld them on to your car. Voila. I used Rabbit flares on my MG, other people use Omni. The good thing about both of those cars is that they have steel flares that go all the way around without hitting a body seam. Start looking around, and you'll discover that most cars have a plastic front and rear bumper and the flare crosses over into there.

    Using plastic flare extensions for another vehicle works too. Plastic might be easier than 'glass because it's flexible and you can just make it fit with more fasteners

  • SVreX

    Dec. 8, 2011 7:28 p.m. SVreX SuperDork

    93EXCivic wrote:

    I think I am going to go fiberglass like the Yugo from Hell.

    If you bring a trailer to pick up the parts you want, you can pick up the Yugo form Hell too.

  • CLynn85

    Dec. 8, 2011 8:48 p.m. CLynn85 Reader

    SVreX wrote:

    93EXCivic wrote:

    I think I am going to go fiberglass like the Yugo from Hell.

    If you bring a trailer to pick up the parts you want, you can pick up the Yugo form Hell too.

    Dibs!

  • JThw8

    Dec. 8, 2011 9:36 p.m. JThw8 SuperDork

    93EXCivic wrote:

    JThw8 wrote:

    93EXCivic wrote:

    I think I am going to go fiberglass like the Yugo from Hell.

    Having done it once before I could flare a yugo in a weekend with time to drink beer. Actually I could probably have all 4 fenders done in a day and then you'd just need to do the bodywork to smooth them. Its not a terrible process.

    However, if you follow my process (YFH was my doing) fix my one error from a purely aesthetic point of view and make the rear flares start at the front of the fender (door opening) rather than a few inches back. At the time I did it to keep all the flares the same but in retrospect I think it would look better the other way.

    Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions on the process.

    Why did you use fiberglass mat instead of the weave?

    1) Because I had a roll of it on hand 2) it makes a less flexible part with less layers

  • 93EXCivic

    Dec. 9, 2011 7:19 a.m. 93EXCivic SuperDork

    In reply to JThw8:

    I always thought weave was stiffer. Granted I worked with carbon fiber a lot more then fiberglass.

  • JThw8

    Dec. 9, 2011 7:26 a.m. JThw8 SuperDork

    93EXCivic wrote:

    In reply to JThw8:

    I always thought weave was stiffer. Granted I worked with carbon fiber a lot more then fiberglass.

    Weave is stronger, especially in layers, but not necessarily stiffer in a single layer. But in the method I used you need a single layer to come off the fender and hold a shape well enough that you can flex it into a flare, the weave in a single layer does not seem to have that stability. YMMV, I mostly always work with the strand mat since I seem to have it around.

    Mmm....carbon fiber flares.

  • 93EXCivic

    Dec. 9, 2011 7:28 a.m. 93EXCivic SuperDork

    Not doing carbon fiber flares since I have no carbon fiber. Maybe I can find some pre-preg which is out of date though from an aerospace company.

  • 93EXCivic

    Dec. 9, 2011 7:30 a.m. 93EXCivic SuperDork

    How can I go about making a mold? I would really like to do flares like that Fiat 131 rally car. I guess cutting foam would be the best way to do it.

  • JThw8

    Dec. 9, 2011 7:32 a.m. JThw8 SuperDork

    SVreX wrote:

    93EXCivic wrote:

    I think I am going to go fiberglass like the Yugo from Hell.

    If you bring a trailer to pick up the parts you want, you can pick up the Yugo form Hell too.

    Some day Im going to have money and the time to get down to GA and I'm going to bring her back....I miss that car.

  • ditchdigger

    Dec. 9, 2011 9:35 a.m. ditchdigger Dork

    93EXCivic wrote:

    How can I go about making a mold?

    Go to fiberglassforums.com

    There are a lot of questionably tasteful body kit builds there but the methods are same.

  • Dec. 9, 2011 11:08 a.m. mguar New Reader

    93EXCivic wrote:

    Not doing carbon fiber flares since I have no carbon fiber. Maybe I can find some pre-preg which is out of date though from an aerospace company.

    Best places to look is fiberglass companies that sell to airlines where the airlines have hubs with maintenance. I recently lost my source when Delta Bought Northwest airlines. They don't do anymore carbon fibre replacement work here in Minnesota now.. The last roll of expired pre-peg carbon fibre has been sold. I suppose that if the military ramps up there will be a source again since we still have a number of military contractors..

  • Dec. 9, 2011 11:56 a.m. mguar New Reader

    JohnyHachi6 wrote:

    In reply to DILYSI Dave:

    Yeah, I do think this is the best way to go if you have the $ for it and they're available.

    It took us forever to the the flares on the challenge miata. We cut off the wheel arches and moved them outboard then filled the gap with foam and laid fiberglass over that to blend it with the body. Wouldn't do it again unless it was really necessary.

    Here's some pics:

    Cut Lip Fiberglass Finished:

    Edit: there's a lot more pics you should be able to go through on those photo album links too.

    A simple way is to draw a circle around the biggest tire you might use with enough clearance for suspension movement. Then cut that out jig saw, sawzall, air saw, etc.. slice off the inner fender at the center. move it out as far as you need to go then cut lines in froont of and behind where the fender flares need to connect. Tack weld it to the body (doesn't matter how neat it looks on the inside).. If you have great big areas to fill use that spray foam, Great Stuff Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, and your local hardware store sell. Then buy bondo by the gallons.. Smooth and fill until you like the shape. Don't worry about how thick it gets because you won't use those parts.. Last thing to do is unbolt the fender (or cut it off if a rear) put it on the bench/sawhorse or whatever you can do to work on it on the flat.. Then paint it and let the paint dry overnight.. I like to use spray cans of lacquer because they dry so fast.. Next morning wax the heck out of it . 3-5 coats of a paste wax. Wax buff, and wax again 5 times.. Check to make sure nothing will be reverse drafted (trapped inside the mold so you can't get the original part out without breaking the mold..) If it is use cardboard to separate it. just take a pair of scissors and cut the cardboard to exactly follow where you want the mold to split.. You'll want 2 pieces one to stay with one part of the mold the other to stay with the other part of the mold.. wax the side facing the other piece of cardboard..
    Now use some thin fiberglass mat to make a mold of the part.. if this is a one off 3-4 layers are probably enough.. Don't use one thick coat because you'll probably get all sorts of air bubbles in it and spend hours filling them when you remove the mold.. Don't mix a "hot batch" of resin. Don't try to rush this step. Cut all your matt before you mix the resin..lay out everything so you can get it with sticky gloved hands.. Have plenty of gloves and acetone handy. Wear clothes you hate because they will wind up in the trash.. shoes? if you don't have a pair you're ready to donate to the garbage can put a plastic bag over each one and seal them off with masking tape.. If you're really messy wear an old hat because fiberglass won't wash out of your hair. If you might make several parts take the time to put a gel coat down first.. A single part? I've done it without the gelcoat but it's a pain. Not sure it saves any time.. Once you have the mold removed wax the heck out of it.. bolt the mold back together and wax it again. Cut your fiberglass for the part. Cloth is stronger than matt but requires a slightly different approach. With matt if it's thin enough it will easily conform to curves etc. without the slight tendency cloth has to lift and bubble.. Lay things out and remember you will be reaching for things with sticky gloved hands.. First put your Gelcoat down.. I've brushed it on but prefer to use an old spray gun. The first coat needs to go down really wet.. Then use additional layers to absorb the resin.. only adding more resin if the area really is too dry to absorb resin.. Resin doesn't have any strength. It's all in the fiberglass/Carbon Fibre If you have the equipment vacuum bag it.. the piece will be stronger and lighter.. You'll want 2 paint brushes one with long bristles to hold a lot of resin and one with real short stiff bristles to tap air out of the resin..
    I leave parts in the mold a minimum of a day and if I can I prefer a week.. As long as you can smell resin it's still hardening/drying..

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