Alan Cesar
Alan Cesar Associate Editor
4/18/12 9:44 a.m.

Our Fiesta got some scale time, and we measured the wheel bolt pattern too. Surprise: It's not the same as the Mazda2.

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/project-cars/2012-ford-fiesta/how-heavy-our-lightweight/

DeadSkunk
DeadSkunk Dork
4/18/12 9:53 a.m.

I own too many 4x100 wheels to consider a Fiesta now.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce Reader
4/18/12 9:56 a.m.

I have a set of Focus wagon wheels (the light factory 15 inchers) that you can have if you want them and I could figure out how to get 800 miles east. Might be good for something. Better than sitting in my garage anyway.
Bolt pattern almost had me in a fiesta instead of a 2 simply because I have these wheels.

jrw1621
jrw1621 PowerDork
4/18/12 9:57 a.m.

Could the hubs be swapped? Too expensive?

44Dwarf
44Dwarf SuperDork
4/18/12 9:59 a.m.

Disregard i forgot they sell the new feista here now.... Post was for old kent powerd E36 M3 boxes...

Ian F
Ian F UberDork
4/18/12 10:03 a.m.
jrw1621 wrote: Could the hubs be swapped? Too expensive?

Besides expense, almost certainly not class-legal.

Per Schroeder
Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director
4/18/12 10:06 a.m.

There are some 4x108 wheels available---Rota makes several different wheel styles, for example. We're going to start with a Rota RB 15x7, as it is over the B-Spec weight minimum of 13lbs at 13.8.

Per

ArthurDent
ArthurDent Reader
4/18/12 10:11 a.m.

Would a set of 13s clear the brakes? You could put on a set of Ford Tempo steelies!

alfadriver
alfadriver UberDork
4/18/12 10:12 a.m.

interesting- based on all of the interenet hype, I expected the difference between the 2 and Fiesta to be a lot more than 140lb. That is not a whole lot.

(and I'm pretty facinated by b-spec, the more I think about it, the more reasonable way to go racing it seems)

failboat
failboat Dork
4/18/12 10:14 a.m.

Well, its a base Fiesta, not a loaded up one. I imagine that adds some weight.

Per Schroeder
Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director
4/18/12 10:16 a.m.

I like the power delivery of the Fiesta a lot better than the Mazda2.....

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UberDork
4/18/12 10:17 a.m.

So its going auto-x, not rally?

mazdeuce
mazdeuce Reader
4/18/12 10:18 a.m.

Their Mazda2 was also a touring which has the fog lights and the rear wing and some other stuff. Maybe they're actually closer than the 200 lbs that's commonly advertised though.

EvanR
EvanR Reader
4/18/12 10:53 a.m.

You need 4x108 wheels in a FWD offset? Check out the earliest (93-4?) Volvo 850.

Ian F
Ian F UberDork
4/18/12 11:10 a.m.
EvanR wrote: You need 4x108 wheels in a FWD offset? Check out the earliest (93-4?) Volvo 850.

108 yes, but I've never seen a 850 with a 4-lug pattern.

Geekspeed
Geekspeed New Reader
4/18/12 11:25 a.m.

I am loving this project. I have a 2011 Fiesta SE hatch and think it would be a great B-spec racer. The weights surprise me, however, as I was expecting it to be a bit more. I am thinking of building mine into a DD/STF autocrosser, and this may push me over the edge.

alfadriver
alfadriver UberDork
4/18/12 11:40 a.m.
failboat wrote: Well, its a base Fiesta, not a loaded up one. I imagine that adds some weight.

Looking up all of the options, I'm not so sure how much weight that would be.

Heated and leather seats- may add some wieght, but not all that much. 16" wheels- kind of a wash Glass moon roof- this seems like the one that weighs something significant. Maybe the 60lb that is the miata premium for a power hard top, but I can't see it that much.

The different sync/ radio packages- I can't see that changing the weight all that much- maybe one lb, but it's not going to be like a iPad to 17" notebook kind of weight difference- they all have some kind of display.

If there's a fully loaded Fiesta, maybe 60lb more. But that seems very much like a stretch. And even that isn't all that much. Especially when you consider that the extra 10% weight (being conservative) gets 20% more power (120 vs 100) 14% more torque (112 vs. 98). I suspect that will be a lot closer when full B-Spec is put on.

Anyway, with all of the i-net hype, I expected a WHOLE lot more than 140 or even 200lb.

EvanB
EvanB UltraDork
4/18/12 11:43 a.m.
Ian F wrote:
EvanR wrote: You need 4x108 wheels in a FWD offset? Check out the earliest (93-4?) Volvo 850.

108 yes, but I've never seen a 850 with a 4-lug pattern.

The very early ones were, switched to 5x108 in 95 or late 94 I believe.

NewEdgePerf
NewEdgePerf New Reader
4/22/12 9:44 p.m.

Focus wheels 00-11 were 4 on 108 and available in 14 inch steel, 15,16,17 aluminum wheels. The aftermarket has been selling wheels for the Focus since 2000. There are plenty out there used and new, just not as common as the 4 on 100.

Tony D New Edge Performance

RossD
RossD UltraDork
4/23/12 7:45 a.m.

Is the offset all wrong for older mustang/pinto/capri wheels to work? Pre-mazda escorts should be a match. Wasn't there an earily 924 or 944 with 4x108?

alfadriver
alfadriver UberDork
4/23/12 9:06 a.m.

I don't want to dig up a very old thread, nor do I want to start one for a simple question...

Is the hatch back Fiesta required for B-Spec racing? When I look at the rules, both SCCA and GranAm have the "4 door Fiesta" listed, and I've only seen the hatch 5-door cars being prepared and run for B-Spec.

The reason I ask is total cost to go pro-racing. There's a salvage 4 door manual Fiesta on e-bay, which appears to have been hit in the drivers front. Seems like a perfect platform to base a race car from. Say it sells for $5000 w/ Salvage Title- $2500 for the B-Spec kit, and call it $2500 for a cage, and you have a "spec" racer for $10k. Seems pretty reasonable.

iceracer
iceracer SuperDork
4/23/12 10:11 a.m.

Contour wheels work great.

EvanR
EvanR Reader
4/30/12 2:00 p.m.
Ian F wrote:
EvanR wrote: You need 4x108 wheels in a FWD offset? Check out the earliest (93-4?) Volvo 850.

108 yes, but I've never seen a 850 with a 4-lug pattern.

Yes, really. The earliest n/a 850 had 4 lugs.

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