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  • docwyte

    Sept. 14, 2011 9:04 a.m. docwyte Reader

    So I recently bought a car from Utah. The guy I bought the car from hadn't owned it very long and didn't get the title reissued in his name.

    Here's where the issue begins. When I went to pick up the car I didn't notice that the title wasn't in his name. So when he signed the back of the title I thought all was well.

    Turns out the previous owner hadn't signed the title! Then the guy I bought the car from signed the title where he shouldn't have.

    So now I'm chasing after the 1st owner to try and get him to get a duplicate title, sign it and send it to me.

    Is there another way of getting this done?

    Kinda freaking out about this, as you can imagine...

  • Klayfish

    Sept. 14, 2011 9:09 a.m. Klayfish HalfDork

    Did the guy you bought it from get a bill of sale or some other type of legal document from the 1st owner? If so, he may be able to give that to you, along with a bill or sale or something. Even that isn't gauranteed to work.

    Otherwise, really sorry to say that you'll have to keep chasing down the first owner. You'll have to check with your state DMV, but he may have to apply for a duplicate if the guy you bought it from signed where he wasn't supposed to.

    Good luck.

  • jstein77

    Sept. 14, 2011 9:20 a.m. jstein77 Dork

    I feel your pain - haven't received the title yet for the Turbo Sentra, now two weeks after I bought it.

    Checking the mailbox daily...

  • tuna55

    Sept. 14, 2011 9:22 a.m. tuna55 SuperDork

    Have to get the first owner, at least I did, both times I made that stupid mistake. Both times it worked out, though, so there is hope. You will have to foot the bill for the DMV to send the original owner a replacement title (they can't send it to you) and have that guy/girl sign it and send it to you. The DMV should have their address. Write them a snail mail letter and see what they say. Explain it very carefully, they may think it's a scam.

  • docwyte

    Sept. 14, 2011 9:42 a.m. docwyte Reader

    I've talked with the 1st owner and he's agreed to help, but I haven't heard from him recently. He had a lien on the car that was discharged.

    I guess in Utah the DMV can't check to see if a bank lien has been released, so he has to get a letter from his bank saying that.

    There is a form on the Utah DMV website to request a duplicate title and there's a spot there for a bank representative to show that there's no liens. So I'm not sure if he'll have to get the bank to sign that form or whether the DMV will accept the letter he hopefully got.

    I sent that form to him as it looks like it can be filled out and mailed in.

    I'm just getting nervous as this wasn't a $500 purchase and I can't drive the car once my Colorado temp tags expire.

  • Giant Purple Snorklewacker

    Sept. 14, 2011 10:01 a.m. Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork

    I have a similar issue with my trailer... first owner sold it and signed the title... I pulled it home. It was in his companies name and there is no document that states he had the legal authority to sell... (even though the company name is the same as his). So PA would not issue me a title for it. Since I had a tag for my other trailer I sorta/kinda backburnered it and used the trailer anyway for the last... . oh, say 3yrs and now I can't find the guy. DOH.

  • docwyte

    Sept. 14, 2011 10:30 a.m. docwyte Reader

    Is there any chance that the guy I bought the car from can get the title in his name by going into the Utah DMV with his bill of sale?

  • tuna55

    Sept. 14, 2011 10:41 a.m. tuna55 SuperDork

    docwyte wrote:

    Is there any chance that the guy I bought the car from can get the title in his name by going into the Utah DMV with his bill of sale?

    I doubt it, but it depends on the DMV. You'd have to call, and that is going to suck.

  • pete240z

    Sept. 14, 2011 11:29 a.m. pete240z SuperDork

    The more used cars I look at purchasing the more title questions I have during the inspection.

  • Duke

    Sept. 14, 2011 11:59 a.m. Duke SuperDork

    pete240z wrote:

    The more used cars I look at purchasing the more title questions I have during the inspection.

    I drove to Philly once to see a car. Found out it had "current" PA tags and an NJ title. Even if it had been utterly perfect (it wasn't) I still would have walked.

  • fast_eddie_72

    Sept. 14, 2011 12:31 p.m. fast_eddie_72 Dork

    I used a title service. It works. Costs a few bucks, but I have a title for the car and I'm all nice and legal.

  • docwyte

    Sept. 14, 2011 12:55 p.m. docwyte Reader

    Title service? Which one? Would they be able to facilitate my problem if I give them all of the bills of sale?

    I'm beginning to get more concerned and freak out some...

  • fast_eddie_72

    Sept. 14, 2011 1:20 p.m. fast_eddie_72 Dork

    Yes, bill of sale, limited power of attorney, some pictures of the car - and a check - and you're all set. What year is the car? Older cars are easier.

    I used this place:

    http://www.getnewtitle.com/

    In a nut shell- it's easier to register cars in some states than others. In Maine they don't issue titles for cars before some year or other. So you don't need one to register the car. Ah, but if you live there and have no title, then move to another state, the other state has to accept your registration as a title. You register your car normally, using the Maine registration as a title, you get new plates and a new title. It's silly and a PITA, but it does work.

    They can do it for newer cars too, but I don't know how that works. Probably something similar, but it costs more. You're thinking kind of like I did. I almost certainly could have gotten it resolved without the cost. I know what happened and I know where the title was lost. But the time and effort to get it done that way wasn't worth it for me. I just wanted it done and legal. If I hadn't gone that route, I might still be dealing with it instead of enjoying the car and building my project.

    What ticked me off was how unwilling my own state was to help me with the problem. I bought the car in CA and the CA DMV was great. They would have sorted it out eventually, but it would have been a lot of work, especially with Colorado fighting me every step of the way. It was really, really clear what happened and who was responsible. Seems there should be some way to resolve those things for the citizens who pay the taxes, but there isn't, at least here.

  • novaderrik

    Sept. 14, 2011 2:56 p.m. novaderrik Dork

    get the original owner- the owner listed on the title- to file for a lost title. find out if the state can expedite the new title- i had to do that when i got my Camaro last summer, and the previous owner had the title in her hand 2 days after i filed the paper work..

    then it was a simple matter of having her sign it in the proper places and transferring it to my name.

    here in MN, a title transfer on an older car usually costs $40 or so- this one wound up costing me a little over $100 plus the cost of plates and tabs. but it was over and done with really fast.

    being in a different state complicates things, but the trick is to do as much of the legwork as you can before even getting the previous owner involved- i don't know what it is about car titles that makes most people's brains turn to goo, but for some reason signing a title makes people paranoid, stupid, and forgetful... you get the paperwork, fill out what needs to be filled out, have the previous owner sign it, and you pay all the fees and maybe kick them a little extra for their time.

  • docwyte

    Sept. 14, 2011 4:12 p.m. docwyte Reader

    I've emailed the 1st owner the form he needs to fill out to request the duplicate title. He just needs to fill it out and mail it in with $6. Than Utah will send the title to him, he signs it and mails it to me. I've already offered to cover all costs and compensate him for his time.

    Sounds simple, but that's only if he decides to do it for me. Otherwise I get to pay that Get a New Title place almost $1000 to get me a title. Wow. That's NOT enticing at all.

  • fast_eddie_72

    Sept. 14, 2011 4:16 p.m. fast_eddie_72 Dork

    docwyte wrote:

    I've emailed the 1st owner the form he needs to fill out to request the duplicate title. He just needs to fill it out and mail it in with $6. Than Utah will send the title to him, he signs it and mails it to me.

    Sounds simple, but that's only if he decides to do it for me. Otherwise I'm screwed.

    If you have the owner and are in contact with him I'd sure give that a shot first. I agree with the idea of offering to kick him a few bucks for his time and effort.

  • docwyte

    Sept. 14, 2011 4:58 p.m. docwyte Reader

    He seems like a nice guy and has told me he'd take care of it. It's just a question of him doing it. Since I don't know him and we live in different states it's just hard to know what's happening.

  • 914Driver

    Sept. 15, 2011 6:10 a.m. 914Driver SuperDork

    Be patient, in New York even doing what you're doing (legal like) takes 6 to 8 weeks.

    Sorry.

  • Klayfish

    Sept. 15, 2011 6:58 a.m. Klayfish HalfDork

    Be very careful using a title service. Many, if not most, of them circumnavigate laws to get your title. You don't want to get caught up in one if they get busted. Trust me, I know this first hand (not from being busted, but from working in the auto business).

  • docwyte

    Sept. 15, 2011 8:50 a.m. docwyte Reader

    Got a text from the 1st owner last night, he hopes to head to the DMV this Monday to request the duplicate title. I'd sent him the link from the Utah DMV website for requesting a duplicate title, looked like he could just mail it in.

    So hopefully he can just mail that in and get this ball rolling for me. Otherwise I'll be lucky to have the title in 2 weeks and I'll be stressing out the whole time.

  • docwyte

    Nov. 11, 2011 12:08 a.m. docwyte Reader

    Wanted to post an update on this. The 1st owner came through for me! It took about 3 weeks between him having to run to his bank to get them to draft a lien release letter for the DMV, then doing the DMV paperwork, then waiting for the title to get mailed to him, then mail it to me.

    But I did finally get it, with his signature on it, which I then took my local DMV, who looked it over, proclaimed it in order and put it in the system.

    About 3 weeks later they mailed me my new title with my name on it. Whew!

    I'm very relieved that that worked out and still can't believe I didn't examine the original title more carefully or had asked the seller if he had title in his name. You can bet I will next time I buy a used car!

  • Gearheadotaku

    Nov. 11, 2011 8:31 a.m. Gearheadotaku Dork

    What a PITA, glad everythings ok now.

  • N Sperlo

    Nov. 11, 2011 8:43 a.m. N Sperlo SuperDork

    Similar incident happened when I got my P71. The title was signed by the city official in charge of selling the vehicles, and the owner before me had signed it below. Out was an error, so I just paid some fee thing. It ironed out. They usually do. Glad things ironed out for ya.

  • patgizz

    Nov. 11, 2011 8:56 a.m. patgizz SuperDork

    i started checking titles carefully when i went to buy an 80 el camino. the VIN did not match. i could tell it was a dmv mistake along the line somewhere, because it was missing numbers on the title but the rest matched. i pointed this out to the seller and he said "you deal with it when you go get a new title" so i walked.

    lesson here on all accounts - check the title carefully AND make sure the # matches the car.

 
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