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ssswitch
ssswitch Reader
6/25/14 10:35 p.m.

Most of the P71s I've seen at auction got a civilian rear seat reinstalled when the car was put up for auction. They're not too picky about it, though, so sometimes you end up with blue front seats and grey rear seats, or leather/vinyl up front and cloth in the back.

Better than puke!

curtis73
curtis73 UberDork
6/26/14 2:17 a.m.
Mr_Clutch42 wrote:
curtis73 wrote: As a hot rodder, I never saw the appeal of 281 cubic inches moving 4000 lbs. Now, 581 cubic inches and 4000 lbs is more like it. But, I do like CVs. For me the answer is always 9C1, but they're getting rare these days.

Mine was the fastest car I owned out of all the slow cars I have owned so far. Since it's a ford small block, you have plenty of go fast parts to buy for it, like supercharger kits.

I don't disagree... but when it comes to streetable torque, cubes are king.

Superchargers are fantastic if you want to double the amount of money you invest for another 150 hp... or you can just stab a cam in an LT1 and make 400 hp with a tune.

The bottom line is that for a given hp, torque peaks will be in a lower RPM range with larger displacements. With large, heavy cars, torque at low RPM is a huge key to making it feel fast (and making it actually fast)

The 4.6L is a kick-ass engine. I've owned two and loved the fact that they will make 215 hp for 300k miles without needing anything but spark plugs and coils. But I would much rather have a 260 hp LT1 that makes tons more torque at a much lower RPM.

And... (just for the sake of making people have a fight between GM and Ford cop cars), I will gladly put my bone-stock LT1 Impala SS up against any P71. I will promise I can out drag, out handle, and out perform any stock P71.

But I can't do it right now, because at 133k miles, my LT1 has substantial piston slap.

See what I'm saying? If you want performance, get the 9C1. If you want a wimpy, slow, non-fun, cheap sedan... get a P71. It will last forever

... if you can endure its boredom.

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse Dork
6/26/14 5:56 a.m.

Isn't the top speed record for a 4 door police sedan still held by a '69 Dodge Monaco or something similar? IIRC they got that cruiser up to 149 mph on a 440 with a 3.23 rear end, slightly over-running the factory redline.

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory Dork
6/26/14 7:35 a.m.

But a Crown Vic can crawl around the slickrock of Moab, Utah!

Cotton
Cotton UltraDork
6/26/14 9:15 a.m.
curtis73 wrote:
Mr_Clutch42 wrote:
curtis73 wrote: See what I'm saying? If you want performance, get the 9C1. If you want a wimpy, slow, non-fun, cheap sedan... get a P71. It will last forever ... if you can endure its boredom.

WTF man? Reel it in a little. First the Hummer thread and now this. The P71 isn't THAT bad....Jesus. For the record I had a 96 Impala ss and really liked it, but it cost way more than a p71. I'd rock either in a heartbeat.

novaderrik
novaderrik PowerDork
6/26/14 12:58 p.m.
volvoclearinghouse wrote: Isn't the top speed record for a 4 door police sedan still held by a '69 Dodge Monaco or something similar? IIRC they got that cruiser up to 149 mph on a 440 with a 3.23 rear end, *slightly* over-running the factory redline.

my 94 9C1 pulled like a freight train until it hit the 146mph fuel cutoff, then just stayed there like it was nothing. the car was as stable at that speed as it was at 60mph, and had almost zero wind noise- just the growl of the LT1 doing what it does. i honestly think it had another 20mph in it..

that was a fun couple of miles, and it did a pretty good job of making me forget the crappy 12 hour shift i had just had at work.. i can only imagine what the cop that i passed going the other way after i had slowed back down to legal speed would have thought if i had blasted by him at full song, or if a deer had decided to jump out in front of me..

alfadriver
alfadriver PowerDork
6/26/14 1:17 p.m.

Slap the sticks T A X I on the side, and start charging for rides. You'll pay it off quickly.

What's that ride share app?

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse Dork
6/26/14 2:59 p.m.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
6/26/14 3:43 p.m.

I dig the neat rear suspension and aluminum front, but I agree with Curtis: cars of that size need torque. I'm curious how the difference will feel between the P71 and my old 9C1. It sucks that the only way to really up the performance of a 4.6 is forced induction.

Contradiction
Contradiction Reader
6/27/14 7:07 p.m.

I had a normal 92 CV as a winter beater for a few years. It felt like you were floating down the highway on your living room couch! LOL It was burgundy on burgundy interior so there was none of the "is that a cop car behind me?" intimidation factor though unfortunately.

I would still love to build a P71 with the classic black and white paint scheme and pushbars and a Kenny Bell supercharger under the hood. It still wouldn't be "fast" but I saw a build thread for one guy on a CV forum that was getting 15.1s out of his with that setup. It would definitely be fun.

TeamEvil
TeamEvil HalfDork
6/28/14 6:00 p.m.

My wife drives a Mercury Marquis, same thing as a CV. It's just PISSA, other than a small coil pack problem, it just keeps going and going. When she gets sick of it and we pick up another ride for her. I'm gonna weld up the rear doors, cut it down into a pick up truck, prime it black, sell my Mustang and never look back.

The car is made of Kryptonite . . .

JThw8
JThw8 PowerDork
6/28/14 7:21 p.m.

Yeah, never much understood the love then I bought this silly CV sport I have (see open classifieds) Great car, cheap parts, easy to work on. If you spend any time commuting or doing distance driving you couldn't ask for much more. Only reason I'm selling the Sport is I've decided I like the platform enough to go ahead and buy a Maruader.

failboat
failboat UltraDork
6/28/14 7:30 p.m.

I liked my 99 marquis enough im considering a newer town car when its time to get a bigger car than my dd hyundai

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse Dork
6/29/14 8:07 a.m.
failboat wrote: I liked my 99 marquis enough im considering a newer town car when its time to get a bigger car than my dd hyundai

GM > TC. Townies are full of unnecessary complexity and E36 M3 to break. Grand Maws are 98% of the car with half the problems.

failboat
failboat UltraDork
6/29/14 3:10 p.m.

Under the body and interior are they really that different? I thought they were more or less the same.

RossD
RossD PowerDork
6/30/14 1:18 p.m.

http://appleton.craigslist.org/cto/4546461695.html 2000 Ford Crown Vic with 5.4 supercharged SVT Lightning motor and 5 speed Tremec TKO transmission. This car was featured in Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords magazines. I have documentation of all mods. Too many to list in this ad. The car is very fast and one of a kind at a fraction of the cost if you were to build it. $13,000 OBO

Might not be 'Holy Crap' cheap but rather 'Holy Crap' fun!

failboat
failboat UltraDork
6/30/14 1:24 p.m.

daeng. that guys been around the panther forums a while.

etifosi
etifosi New Reader
7/1/14 11:23 a.m.
failboat wrote: Under the body and interior are they really that different? I thought they were more or less the same.

Towncars have the "hair ride" suspension as seen above.

failboat
failboat UltraDork
7/1/14 6:09 p.m.

Air ride was optional on the marqis and vics but can easily be swapped for springs and shocks. I assume same goes for town cars

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