I just randomly thought, "Wonder how good FWD cars are at rally?".
So I punched it into google and this is one of the first things that popped up. Obviously its older, AND on tarmac... But still, this is some forceful driving!
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Aug. 23, 2010 9:59 p.m. cxhb HalfDork
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Aug. 23, 2010 10:27 p.m. Knurled HalfDork
How did I know it was going to be a jean Ragnotti video? :)
Watch the Mont Blanc footage.
Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZyUImGiaow&feature=related
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Aug. 23, 2010 10:33 p.m. cxhb HalfDork
He drives with so much INTENSITY. I love it.
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Aug. 23, 2010 10:36 p.m. oldsaw SuperDork
In reply to cxhb:
Thank you, Sir! That video made my evening and it has been saved to my "favorites" file, soon to be downloaded to the hard drive.
The best stuff starts around the 4:15 mark - the cars look like proper racers with box-flares, a bit of aero, and the obligatory huge and fat wheel/tire combos.
But, the exhaust notes and squealing tires are entertaining the whole way through!
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Aug. 23, 2010 10:41 p.m. oldsaw SuperDork
In reply to Knurled:
And, an equal big thanks to you, too!
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Aug. 23, 2010 11:02 p.m. nutherjrfan HalfDork
i tried to find the Jim Bamber cartoon of Ragnotti in the R5 turbo with Jean juggling some tennis balls outside the car, and a caption about big balls.
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Aug. 23, 2010 11:14 p.m. cxhb HalfDork
oldsaw wrote:
In reply to cxhb:
Thank you, Sir! That video made my evening and it has been saved to my "favorites" file, soon to be downloaded to the hard drive.
The best stuff starts around the 4:15 mark - the cars look like proper racers with box-flares, a bit of aero, and the obligatory huge and fat wheel/tire combos.
But, the exhaust notes and squealing tires are entertaining the whole way through!
Glad you liked it. It needs to be shared.
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Aug. 24, 2010 12:01 a.m. amg_rx7 HalfDork
Damn. That is some sick driving and excellent footage.
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Aug. 24, 2010 11:05 a.m. mrwillie Reader
He did stuff that I didn't know was possible in a FWD car!!! Does he give lessons? And on a side note, how do you get a FWD car to rotate like that? Like say,...a 1987 golf gti??
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Aug. 24, 2010 11:39 a.m. HiTempguy HalfDork
mrwillie wrote:
He did stuff that I didn't know was possible in a FWD car!!! Does he give lessons? And on a side note, how do you get a FWD car to rotate like that? Like say,...a 1987 golf gti??
Take your left foot, apply judiciously to brake pedal while keeping the gas floored with right foot.
Oh, and a hydraulic hand brake for the tighter stuff
You'd find a bit of info on this in the latest GRM
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Aug. 24, 2010 11:45 a.m. oldsaw SuperDork
HiTempguy wrote:
mrwillie wrote:
He did stuff that I didn't know was possible in a FWD car!!! Does he give lessons? And on a side note, how do you get a FWD car to rotate like that? Like say,...a 1987 golf gti??
Take your left foot, apply judiciously to brake pedal while keeping the gas floored with right foot.
Oh, and a hydraulic hand brake for the tighter stuff
You'd find a bit of info on this in the latest GRM
All good tips, but the in-car clips show Ragnotti reserving his left foot for clutch-work while the right foot works the accelerator and brake pedals simultaneously. And, yes, there was a fair bit of hand-brake application, too.
Ragnotti has some serious skillz.
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Aug. 24, 2010 12:12 p.m. Keith SuperDork
Wow, I'd never heard of Ragnotti. Thanks!
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Aug. 24, 2010 12:20 p.m. DukeOfUndersteer SuperDork
i like how he anticipates the understeer by supplying oversteer! Some real good footage there!
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Aug. 24, 2010 3:06 p.m. Capt Slow HalfDork
In a couple of those it looks like he is executing a good old fashion Scandinavian flick...
Wow all that drifting kinda reminds me of a video saw recently, have any of you guys heard of ken block???
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Aug. 24, 2010 8:39 p.m. dankspeed New Reader
Fearless
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Aug. 24, 2010 8:47 p.m. EvanB Dork
That video makes me wish I was a rally driver.
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Aug. 24, 2010 8:48 p.m. EvanB Dork
not to say that every other rally video I watch makes me wish the same thing.
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Aug. 24, 2010 8:59 p.m. cxhb HalfDork
Im surprised people dont remember him more. Guess it was timing. What other great FWD rally drivers are there?
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Aug. 24, 2010 9:18 p.m. Knurled HalfDork
HiTempguy wrote:
mrwillie wrote:
He did stuff that I didn't know was possible in a FWD car!!! Does he give lessons? And on a side note, how do you get a FWD car to rotate like that? Like say,...a 1987 golf gti??
Take your left foot, apply judiciously to brake pedal while keeping the gas floored with right foot.
Watch him drive. He NEVER left-foot-brakes. Brake entering the corner, accelerate exiting.
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Aug. 24, 2010 9:21 p.m. Knurled HalfDork
cxhb wrote:
Im surprised people dont remember him more. Guess it was timing. What other great FWD rally drivers are there?
He drove Group B cars (R5) but when GpB was banned, he went into the lighter weight Group A cars instead of the top-dog stuff. Probably didn't hurt/help that Renault didn't field any of those.
He said that the 2000cc Kit Cars were much faster than the Group Bs. Less power, but much better diffs and MUCH better brakes.
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Aug. 24, 2010 9:30 p.m. nymalo New Reader
cxhb wrote:
Im surprised people dont remember him more. Guess it was timing. What other great FWD rally drivers are there?
Gilles Panizzi was pretty good :)
The music is only in the beginning then it is pure sound.
Mark
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Aug. 24, 2010 9:39 p.m. JFX001 SuperDork
EvanB wrote:
not to say that every other rally video I watch makes me wish the same thing.
Truth.
Ragnotti is a maestro behind the wheel.
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Aug. 24, 2010 9:58 p.m. RealMiniDriver Dork
cxhb wrote: What other great FWD rally drivers are there?
Timo Mäkinen, Rauno Aaltonen and Paddy Hopkirk? -
Aug. 24, 2010 10:29 p.m. Slyp_Dawg Reader
I seem to recall Loeb starting out in a FWD car also...
am I the only one who thinks that either Ragnotti or Panizzi would be murderously fast at an autocross in either the old Renault Clio Maxi (Ragnotti) or Peugeot 306 Maxi (Panizzi)? they seem to be VERY good at getting FWD cars to rotate, and those cars look like they would work wonderfully for autoX with some very minor setup tweaks (less locking percentage on the diff on the coast side offset by a LITTLE bit more locking percentage on the acceleration side of the diff, MAYBE a little bit less front bar or more rear bar)
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Aug. 24, 2010 10:43 p.m. cxhb HalfDork
RealMiniDriver wrote:
cxhb wrote: What other great FWD rally drivers are there?
Timo Mäkinen, Rauno Aaltonen and Paddy Hopkirk?I'll definitely be looking them up.
