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GI_Drewsifer
GI_Drewsifer Reader
7/14/10 6:19 p.m.
Vigo wrote: The car never stops responding to inputs, unless something breaks. Breaking traction doesnt count. I agree that 'lost control' is a bit too faultless and euphemistic.

I don't think its a faultless term. Calling it an 'accident' makes it sound faultless. Lost control is a it of a euphemism for saying 'he berkeleyed up" though.

motomoron
motomoron Reader
7/14/10 6:23 p.m.

Abdicated control, or ran out of talent.

NYG95GA
NYG95GA SuperDork
7/14/10 6:47 p.m.

"Lost control" is just a way of saying "The driver screwed the pooch in a major fashion".

MrBenjamonkey
MrBenjamonkey Reader
7/14/10 7:14 p.m.
dyintorace wrote:
Vigo wrote: The car never stops responding to inputs, unless something breaks. Breaking traction doesnt count. I agree that 'lost control' is a bit too faultless and euphemistic.

True point. The car will still respond to inputs, but the direction of travel will not. Hence the lack of control over the situation.

And I agree as well that "lost control" is a bit too faultless.

It's sort of cop speak for "mistakes were made," another annoyingly blameless way to sort of sound like your sorry.

MrBenjamonkey
MrBenjamonkey Reader
7/14/10 7:16 p.m.

That picture does make me wonder why the cop was going so fast, and driving so on the edge, for something as minor as a burglary.

stroker
stroker Reader
7/14/10 7:47 p.m.
skruffy wrote: Does anyone else dislike the term "lost control"?

Just as much as the euphemism "departed controlled flight"...

smog7
smog7 Dork
7/14/10 8:27 p.m.

holy E36 M3! I live in santa maria

Wally
Wally SuperDork
7/14/10 8:28 p.m.

I don't think that "lost control" gives up blame. I have used it in accident reports from time to time. You are responsible for your vehicle and should not operate in such a manner as to lose control of it.

TJ
TJ Dork
7/14/10 8:46 p.m.
MrBenjamonkey wrote: That picture does make me wonder why the cop was going so fast, and driving so on the edge, for something as minor as a burglary.

He had to get there fast - the suspect was running...literally...he was on foot, how fast do you really need to drive to overtake a man running? Good thing he didn't kill innocent bystanders or himself.

alex
alex Dork
7/14/10 9:05 p.m.

"lost control of the vehicle" = "the gun went off"

MrBenjamonkey
MrBenjamonkey Reader
7/14/10 10:07 p.m.
TJ wrote:
MrBenjamonkey wrote: That picture does make me wonder why the cop was going so fast, and driving so on the edge, for something as minor as a burglary.

He had to get there fast - the suspect was running...literally...he was on foot, how fast do you really need to drive to overtake a man running? Good thing he didn't kill innocent bystanders or himself.

I think a lot of times police get so ramped up on "nabbing the bad guy" that they forget about the general public's safety. At least, that's always what I end up thinking when I watch an episode of Cops or when I see a Nevada State Trooper blasting by me at double the speed limit in order to catch a hardened criminal with expired tags.

I'd much rather the burglar escape than the police drive 90 miles an hour on residential streets to catch him.

4eyes
4eyes HalfDork
7/16/10 10:16 p.m.

It should read "Officer was traveling too fast for conditions' when he slid off the road and struck a tree."

Knurled
Knurled Reader
7/17/10 11:01 p.m.

I was in a collision when I was 17 (long story, short version: front brakes inop, bald tires, fresh snow on new asphalt) and the citation was "Failure to control".

I have since learned that "failure to control" is the generic term for "hit something". As in, if you avoid some dipE36 M3 who enters your lane by diving off into the ditch, you get cited for "failure to control". They'd rather see you stay in your lane and get creamed, I guess.

Anyway, the reason I posted something:

http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/cars/camaro/camaro.htm

P71
P71 SuperDork
7/18/10 12:03 a.m.
Knurled wrote: I was in a collision when I was 17 (long story, short version: front brakes inop, bald tires, fresh snow on new asphalt) and the citation was "Failure to control". I have since learned that "failure to control" is the generic term for "hit something". As in, if you avoid some dipE36 M3 who enters your lane by diving off into the ditch, you get cited for "failure to control". They'd rather see you stay in your lane and get creamed, I guess. Anyway, the reason I posted something: http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/cars/camaro/camaro.htm

Holy berkleying crap!!!

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
7/18/10 1:19 a.m.

Parts Camaro? WTF is salvageable off that thing? Dude, the rim was wasted-from the inside!

P71
P71 SuperDork
7/18/10 10:12 a.m.

Apparently, just the heads and intake manifold!

Toyman01
Toyman01 Dork
7/18/10 11:14 a.m.

From the article. "...he lost control of his vehicle..."

Not much doubt about who was at fault. The officer screwed up and lost control of his vehicle. His fault.

Taking lost control out of context makes it faultless and euphemistic.

poopshovel
poopshovel SuperDork
7/18/10 12:35 p.m.

I find that statement shallow and pedantic.

Wally
Wally SuperDork
7/18/10 1:38 p.m.

On the bright side he was the first to the scene of the accident

seeker589
seeker589 Reader
7/18/10 3:02 p.m.

In reply to dyintorace:

How about: The driver relinquished control of the car to luck and physics therefore - instead of "lost" it should say - "The officer made some uninformed mistakes in his attempt at vehicular operation and actions played out as pictured."

Or some such thing.

This brings us to the oft misused term: Speed Kills. If this were true - I (as well as many here) would have died many times over - Andy Nelson even more-so.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury SuperDork
7/18/10 3:48 p.m.

a buddy died in a SVT contour - 80 mph (he was an idiot, but there were other factors at play as well) plus fishtail + softball sized tree = bisected car + funeral. The found a cd embedded in a tree 100' away and the cigarette lighter from the dash (the push in/pop out one) over 100 yards away. Sometimes speed+dumbossity kills

digdug18
digdug18 HalfDork
7/18/10 5:17 p.m.

I'm guessing the tree walked away from that one as well.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/18/10 5:32 p.m.
poopshovel wrote:
Does anyone else dislike the term "lost control"?
Pretty much everybody here, I'm guessing.

I always picture the scene from Strange Brew: "No point in steering now."

Vigo
Vigo HalfDork
7/18/10 10:07 p.m.
On the bright side he was the first to the scene of the accident

zing!

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