RossD UltimaDork
Dec. 13, 2016 10:24 a.m.
captdownshift PowerDork
Dec. 13, 2016 10:34 a.m.

Wait until the mission E comes out, panamera turbos will drop into the low 30s, if not lower.

nderwater UltimaDork
Dec. 13, 2016 11:05 a.m.

That's a lot of car for $35K. I flogged a V8 Panamera around track at the Porsche Experience Center for about 20 minutes and came away really impressed -- from behind the wheel it felt like I was driving my E36 M3, not a 4,000 lb luxury sedan.

gearheadmb Dork
Dec. 13, 2016 11:15 a.m.
nderwater wrote: That's a *lot* of car for $35K. I flogged a V8 Panamera around track at the Porsche Experience Center for about 20 minutes and came away really impressed -- from behind the wheel it felt like I was driving my E36 M3, not a 4,000 lb luxury sedan.

So for $40,000 I can have a sedan that drives like a $7,000 sedan?

Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
Dec. 13, 2016 11:17 a.m.

" It isn't just ugly----- it's ugly compared to a genital wart" --- Jeremy Clarkson

One of my favorite Top Gear quotes!

1988RedT2 PowerDork
Dec. 13, 2016 11:28 a.m.

In spite of all the Panamera hate, I LOVE these cars. One of only two Porsches that I could reasonably imagine owning. The other being the Cayenne, of course!

And I think they are quite attractive. It's like a long wheelbase 911.

JimS
JimS New Reader
Dec. 13, 2016 11:34 a.m.

I love their looks. Had a v6 all-wheel drive loaner for 3 days and came away in love with the thing.

Dec. 13, 2016 11:34 a.m.

I really like the Panamera, but I'd be weary of one from a used car dealer, Carfax or not.

Woody MegaDork
Dec. 13, 2016 12:02 p.m.

I don't like the way that they look, but I don't care about that either. I had one for four days and fell in love with it. The interior is functional and beautiful. My only hesitation would be the limited trunk space. It would be a challenge for a couple with more than one kid to go away for a weekend without some very judicious packing. Maybe in the summer but it would be tough for a ski trip.

Appleseed MegaDork
Dec. 13, 2016 12:20 p.m.

I know there's the whole, "You don't see the outside when you drive it" moniker, but I just won't own a car that's ugly to me. The Panamara is ugly.

Appleseed MegaDork
Dec. 13, 2016 12:21 p.m.
Woody wrote: I don't like the way that they look, but I don't care about that either. I had one for four days and fell in love with it. The interior is functional and beautiful. My only hesitation would be the limited trunk space. It would be a challenge for a couple with more than one kid to go away for a weekend without some very judicious packing. Maybe in the summer but it would be tough for a ski trip.

Since you don't seemed too concerned with looks, why not a roof cargo carrier?

Dusterbd13 PowerDork
Dec. 13, 2016 12:23 p.m.

You can't feel ugly in the dark.

Dont care what it looks like, id rock one if it was the answer to my needs.

Now to create the need....

KyAllroad UberDork
Dec. 13, 2016 12:36 p.m.

Is this 3.6 V-6 at 300 hp the same as the VR6 in most of the rest of the VW/Audi/Porsche lineup?

Knurled MegaDork
Dec. 13, 2016 12:42 p.m.

In reply to KyAllroad:

Quite possibly. The "V6" in the Cayenne is the VR6 that we all know and l... l...

It's the VR6.

KyAllroad UberDork
Dec. 13, 2016 1:17 p.m.

So my wagon is basically a Porsche. I wonder if I can start going to those POC only track days in it....

markwemple
markwemple UltraDork
Dec. 13, 2016 1:31 p.m.

Ugliest car, EVER! And a total waste of space. Small inside and large outside. Still way too much money for all that ugly. And it is soooooo not a long wheelbase 911 in the way it drives/feels!

lnlogauge Reader
Dec. 13, 2016 1:35 p.m.
1988RedT2 wrote: In spite of all the Panamera hate, I LOVE these cars. One of only two Porsches that I could reasonably imagine owning. The other being the Cayenne, of course! And I think they are quite attractive. It's like a long wheelbase 911.

If their goal was to take a 911, and make it ugly. I'll understand the defenses on here of how it drives, how you don't notice it has a wheelbase similar to a Tahoe, but nobody can defend how atrocious this thing looks. Subjective Fajective, ugly is ugly.

For those not conviced, can I recommend an SUV for you? you'll love it. The plastic on the sides will look new forever

Matt B SuperDork
Dec. 13, 2016 2:21 p.m.

I'm surprised no one has freaked out yet over the possibility someone would spend $40K on any car...

Chris_V UberDork
Dec. 13, 2016 2:25 p.m.

I actually have grown to like the way they look, especially the 2nd gen ones. But I even like the first gen S now.

And man, do they drive good and eat up the miles.

Driven5 Dork
Dec. 13, 2016 2:50 p.m.
lnlogauge wrote: ...but nobody can defend how atrocious this thing looks.

For those who care at all about rear seat headroom, then look at the competing "four door coupes", it starts to make sense why they did what they did...Even if they didn't do as good of a job with it as they could.

G_Body_Man SuperDork
Dec. 13, 2016 2:56 p.m.

I know the rest of the body kit is hideous, but this front bumper looks like a big improvement over a stock non-turbo bumper.

Vigo PowerDork
Dec. 13, 2016 2:58 p.m.

First cross-shop i thought of was a p85 Model S. I see those getting down around 40-45.

As an owner of a 3.4L 2900lb 911 that doesnt exactly take my breath away with speed, i don't think i would settle for a $35k Porsche that much heavier with only .2L more engine. I'd hold out for a v8 or turbo.

Having said all that, I don't hate the first gen Panamera. It's a neat car and i can be vicariously excited with anyone who likes them and is finally close to getting their hands on one.

fidelity101 SuperDork
Dec. 13, 2016 2:59 p.m.

I think it looks sexy, who doesn't want a porsche wagon?

dculberson PowerDork
Dec. 13, 2016 3:05 p.m.

In reply to lnlogauge:

So off base it's not even funny! The Porsche has an awkward roof kink due to them making the back seat usable for grown people. Otherwise it's a good looking car. They've grown on me a lot over the years.

Then again, I've found myself trawling CL looking at Aztec ads, so ...

lnlogauge Reader
Dec. 13, 2016 3:07 p.m.
Driven5 wrote:
lnlogauge wrote: ...but nobody can defend how atrocious this thing looks.

For those who care at all about rear seat headroom, then look at the competing "four door coupes", it starts to make sense why they did what they did...Even if they didn't do as good of a job with it as they could.

No, it doesn't.

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