GameboyRMH SuperDork
July 26, 2011 9:41 a.m.

http://www.toyotainthenews.com/scion-fr-s-has-been-designed-for-the-enthusiast/

If Toyota fulfills all their promises with this car, it is going to have the mother of all waiting lists...I wonder if I'll get a good spot and a decent price if I take a couple of days off to line-camp?

Tom Heath Web Manager
July 26, 2011 9:52 a.m.

I still have hope for the FR-S, but it's been "coming soon" for a long time. That development time will have to translate into dollars somehow, so the longer it goes (and the more times it changes brands) the less confident I am that it will be the low cost, enthusiast focused car that it was promised to be.

failboat HalfDork
July 26, 2011 9:54 a.m.

lol I think I got an email from scion last week about the car. It told me nothing more than what I have been hearing about this car for the past 6 months.

alfadriver SuperDork
July 26, 2011 10:02 a.m.
Tom Heath wrote: I still have hope for the FR-S, but it's been "coming soon" for a long time. That development time will have to translate into dollars somehow, so the longer it goes (and the more times it changes brands) the less confident I am that it will be the low cost, enthusiast focused car that it was promised to be.

Being "low cost" means that it shares a production line with a lot of other cars.

Or that means that if there is a waiting list, it's quite artificial.

IMHO, the demand will be no more than the Miata in it's best year, which was, what, 20k? Ford sold 21k Focuses just LAST MONTH.

Not to say the car will be bad, just do yourself a favor and don't get caught up in any storm that may surround this car. It's not likely to last too long, and it will cost you money (like the first Miata's did).

Else, like Tom suggests, it won't be a low cost car.

Please, be paitient.

Drewsifer Dork
July 26, 2011 10:11 a.m.

Wow, they're still saying this is coming soon? I thought they said that in 09 too. It looks cool, but I wouldn't count on a sub20k sticker.

GameboyRMH SuperDork
July 26, 2011 10:13 a.m.

Yeah I don't see any way it's gonna be under $20k, if they keep it in the low-20s where mere mortals can afford it I'll be happy. The likely problems I'm worried about are that it will cost close to $30k or be heavy.

m4ff3w SuperDork
July 26, 2011 10:18 a.m.
article said: Engine mounts and space under the hood have been included so that owners can easily switch out components.

Awesome! It comes with engine mounts!

m4ff3w SuperDork
July 26, 2011 10:19 a.m.
Drewsifer wrote: Wow, they're still saying this is coming soon? I thought they said that in 09 too. It looks cool, but I wouldn't count on a sub20k sticker.

I think in 09 they were calling for a '11 introduction.

GameboyRMH SuperDork
July 26, 2011 10:29 a.m.

Yeah IIRC the planned release date was always late 2011/early 2012.

forzav12 Reader
July 26, 2011 10:33 a.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: http://www.toyotainthenews.com/scion-fr-s-has-been-designed-for-the-enthusiast/ If Toyota fulfills all their promises with this car, it is going to have the mother of all waiting lists...I wonder if I'll get a good spot and a decent price if I take a couple of days off to line-camp?

OMG! I know, huh. Everyone I know is planning on taking a day off work to add their names to the ultimate enthusiast car ever built. I know I can't wait, I'm trying to plan my vacation around the intro so I can stand in my local dealership until the first one arrives.

GameboyRMH SuperDork
July 26, 2011 10:40 a.m.

the ultimate enthusiast car ever built

Without this it would be impossible to tell if you were kidding on this forum.

oldeskewltoy Reader
July 26, 2011 10:42 a.m.

instead of bad comedy... or worse yet absolutely dumb posts... here is an active thread on the FR-S. it includes ACTUAL specs and details...

http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=95050

GameboyRMH SuperDork
July 26, 2011 12:23 p.m.

Ugh, looks like they're flirting with nearly 3000lbs of weight, for the base model

DirtyBird222 SuperDork
July 26, 2011 12:50 p.m.

the scion TC barely sells for under 20k and if you want one with any kind of options at all it is over 20k. Plus Toyota has a Carmax style no haggle pricing bs on Scions.

Tom Heath Web Manager
July 26, 2011 1:27 p.m.
oldeskewltoy wrote: instead of bad comedy... or worse yet absolutely dumb posts... here is an active thread on the FR-S. it includes ACTUAL specs and details... http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=95050

I didn't see any actual specs, unless you meant spec-ulation. "Hopefully under 1300 kilos" doesn't count to me.

Until it's released to the market, it's a dream car. So far it's a good dream, but I want to touch it and drive it before I draw a conclusion.

July 26, 2011 2:17 p.m.

As far as "coming soon" for a long time, the new camaro was 40 months from unveil to showrooms. With modern cars' new impact standards, hundreds of airbags, 3k lbs is not that heavy.

DaveEstey HalfDork
July 26, 2011 2:28 p.m.

There are plenty of cars under that weight with all the safety gizmos.

GameboyRMH SuperDork
July 26, 2011 2:49 p.m.
DaveEstey wrote: There are plenty of cars under that weight with all the safety gizmos.

Most notably the Yaris, which is why I had high hopes.

Tom Heath Web Manager
July 26, 2011 2:53 p.m.
DaveEstey wrote: There are plenty of cars under that weight with all the safety gizmos.

Truth. My 2011 Mazda2 is under 2300 lbs.

July 26, 2011 3:31 p.m.

It's neat, but am I the only one who thinks it's just off the mark? The AE86 was cool because it was based on an economy car. It looks "cute". Then it does things it shouldn't ought to do. This is cool looking, and I guess a ground up "sports car". That's more the MR2 formula than AE86.

Meh, I think I'm the only one...

HiTempguy Dork
July 26, 2011 4:00 p.m.
fast_eddie_72 wrote: It's neat, but am I the only one who thinks it's just off the mark? The AE86 was cool because it was based on an economy car. It looks "cute". Then it does things it shouldn't ought to do. This is cool looking, and I guess a ground up "sports car". That's more the MR2 formula than AE86. Meh, I think I'm the only one...

Nope, I agree. I think a big part of owning the "E36 M3 box" hot hatches is the david and goliath thing, making due with what you have, and all that other stuff.

Did Honda REALLY release the Civic Si way back when with an eye towards racing? Doubtful. I mean, they probably knew they had a good car, but they realize it would take the amateur racing world by storm? A Civic was a Civic, the Si had a couple better bits.

I think the issue is that they are shooting for "sports car". Imagine if they just designed a cheap econobox that was rwd and sold it, let everyone go at it from there rather than "mandating" it be a sports car that was "highly modifiable" by the motorsports community. E36 M3, a Miata is $30k in Canada (I E36 M3 you not).

Bobzilla SuperDork
July 26, 2011 4:13 p.m.
Tom Heath wrote:
DaveEstey wrote: There are plenty of cars under that weight with all the safety gizmos.

Truth. My 2011 Mazda2 is under 2300 lbs.

Hyundai dropped the Elantra to 2700lbs, the Accents are ~2500. Hell, their mid-size Sonata isn't much over that mark. Yeah... 3k for 170hp rwd coupe is NOT acceptable.

ProDarwin Dork
July 26, 2011 4:42 p.m.
Bobzilla wrote:
Tom Heath wrote:
DaveEstey wrote: There are plenty of cars under that weight with all the safety gizmos.

Truth. My 2011 Mazda2 is under 2300 lbs.

Hyundai dropped the Elantra to 2700lbs, the Accents are ~2500. Hell, their mid-size Sonata isn't much over that mark. Yeah... 3k for 170hp rwd coupe is NOT acceptable.

What's the Genesis weigh? Apples to Apples

Bobzilla SuperDork
July 26, 2011 4:46 p.m.

3100-3300. Comes with a MINIMUM of 210hp, and as much as 300+. IIRC, it's due for a refresh next year. Likely get the GDI version of both engines (274 and 350)

HiTempguy Dork
July 26, 2011 4:47 p.m.
ProDarwin wrote: What's the Genesis weigh? Apples to Apples

A car is a car, why would a sportscar weigh more than a family sedan? The Genesis is "hardly" what I'd call a sports car... a grand tourer maybe. And I'd rather have a V6 mustang any day of the year (and it's cheaper, a Genesis is $28k out the door for a base model in Canada, while a mustang is $24.5k)!

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