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iceracer wrote:Spec, partly. Four antique V8's. Different applique on the front. I enjoy watching them at Lime Rock. Regardless of the cars, these guys put on a show that is fun to watch.
antique v8s that rev to 8500-9000 rpm and make around 850 Horse Powers and shakes the ground, yes please call me an antique collector because I'll take one.
......and i love how you people who think overhead cam motors are sooo modern and pushrods are antique. OHC engines have been around since at least the late 40s, probably earlier. What makes that so much more modern than a pushrod?
I was thinking the carburetor for one. Yes, they do amazing things with them. But then Toyoda had to use a truck block , since the Camry doesn't have one, let alone a V8. I still like to watch them anyway.
Nice map, but outdated now. The bridge at 13a is gone.
that's one nationwide race I WILL watch. I sure hope they put the sprint cup cars on the schedule for that weekend also, since I'd love to see the nascar guys tackle a proper roadcourse that hasn't been neutered (although the nascar layout at Watkins Glen is VERY close to the layout F1 ran back in the '60s, apart from the bus stop chicane and where they put pit lane and all. drive Watkins Glen in GPL then in rFactor and you'll see what I mean)
DirtyBird222 wrote:......and i love how you people who think overhead cam motors are sooo modern and pushrods are antique. OHC engines have been around since at least the late 40s, probably earlier. What makes that so much more modern than a pushrod?
The 1913 Indy 500 was one by a Peugeot with a DOHC, four valve per cylinder engine.
And driven by Jules Goux, who has relatives in...Seymour,CT.
DirtyBird222 wrote:iceracer wrote:Spec, partly. Four antique V8's. Different applique on the front. I enjoy watching them at Lime Rock. Regardless of the cars, these guys put on a show that is fun to watch.
antique v8s that rev to 8500-9000 rpm and make around 850 Horse Powers and shakes the ground, yes please call me an antique collector because I'll take one.
Yeah, kind of reminds me of a couple of road racing classes that I enjoy..
I think I'm with DirtyBird on this one..it takes a lot of amazing modern design & hardware to make these old designs perform like they do today.
And the only problem I've ever had with NASCAR is that they don't road race often enough. I'd love to see them at RA. All that power with no (by our standards) downforce sounds like a great show.
I could get behind this. While I'd still prefer NASCAR be less of a spec series, I've always like watching when they go road racing.
stuart in mn wrote:DirtyBird222 wrote:......and i love how you people who think overhead cam motors are sooo modern and pushrods are antique. OHC engines have been around since at least the late 40s, probably earlier. What makes that so much more modern than a pushrod?
The 1913 Indy 500 was one by a Peugeot with a DOHC, four valve per cylinder engine.
thank you for backing my point! Did it have VTEC though?
And I'm sorry but the new LS based chevy engines and the new Chrsyler Hemi engine are amazing. Reliable, durable, and lots of power potential for cheap. E36 M3, I gained 90rwhp on a cam alone in my Trans Am.
But back on topic, I would love to see Nascar tackle more road courses and have at least one if not two in the "chase."
Don't forget the Nationwide series always does one more road course than the Sprint Cup. I do enjoy watching the road races. I, too, say they need more.
plance1 wrote:Sorry, Spec Miata is great for the same reason NASCAR used to be great: Your average everyday Joe Schmo, (and believe me I'm pure Schmo) could easily imagine himself on the race course with an actual car he could buy with minimal dollar investment. That connection to the fans has long since vanished with NASCAR, spec miata will lose it to if you start putting grill and headlight decals on your car.
You average Schmo has as much a chance now as he did then. History tends to make things seem a bit different than they were but from about the second week on various manufacturers have tried to gain some kind of advantage.
When I said "antique" I was thinking that the basic design of the engine has not changed in about 40 years or more. What is being done with them is amazing. I'm sure GM's ability to pull big power numbers on it's stock engines has been helped by development of the NASCAR engines.
I'm a died-in-the-wool, sport car guy, but I enjoy seeing the NASCAR folks on a road course (OK, it the only way I like to see them).
NASCAR at The Glen is fun to watch and I thought the old Mexcio City NASCAR races were cool too.
I've done lots of laps at Watkins Glen: anyone who can hustle a 3500# tank with 850 HP around there with those lap times (even without The Boot) is OK by me.
I have to admit, I think it would be fun to watch them run the Pocono road course (the "long" course), but I know it'll never happen.
Wally wrote:plance1 wrote:Sorry, Spec Miata is great for the same reason NASCAR used to be great: Your average everyday Joe Schmo, (and believe me I'm pure Schmo) could easily imagine himself on the race course with an actual car he could buy with minimal dollar investment. That connection to the fans has long since vanished with NASCAR, spec miata will lose it to if you start putting grill and headlight decals on your car.
You average Schmo has as much a chance now as he did then. History tends to make things seem a bit different than they were but from about the second week on various manufacturers have tried to gain some kind of advantage.
Huh?
Are you refering to a person's chance to win? If so, ok maybe you're right, but chance to actually go out and race? Lee Petty once remarked how he went down to the car dealer, bought a car, did some basic prep and went racing. Same is true of others back then, anyone could go racing. And for many years after the cars that were raced were actual cars you could buy at the dealer but it hasn't been the case in years.
Nascar is a complete bore, the cars are boring, they are all the same, they all have stupid decals, etc. I will agree though the only Nascar racing I might enjoy would be the road races.
aeronca65t wrote: I have to admit, I think it would be fun to watch them run the Pocono road course (the "long" course), but I know it'll never happen.
Didn't know that you were so interested in "agricultural activities" 
I remember, many years ago when NASCAR was mor grassroots and run small local tracks,dirt & paved. When they came to a local track many of them would go to a local junk yard and pick up an engine or what ever they needed. This was when RP came with a box truck towing the car on an open tailer. My how things have changed.
anyone remember that race in canada a few years ago where the nationwide series actually ran in the ran? that was pretty awesome.
DirtyBird222 wrote:anyone remember that race in canada a few years ago where the nationwide series actually ran in the ran? that was pretty awesome.
They've run it in the rain for the past two years. My avatar is Boris Said in the 2008 race.
