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  • Dr. Hess

    Sept. 30, 2010 11:55 a.m. Dr. Hess SuperDork

    Start with eBay (good luck with that) and go from there. I think he's screwed, but certainly try. After eBay blows him off, then I suppose he could try suing, but even if he wins, that money is gone. The Esquires can explain the difference between winning a lawsuite and ever seeing a penny.

    IN THE FUTURE: Eyes on before the final dollars change hands is the way to go. I've done it for others. One guy on my Esprit mailing list bought a turbo trans am or something. He posted on our yahoo list looking for someone in our area and I volunteered to go look at it for him. I met the seller at a gas station and checked it out. It was fine, if not better than the eBay listing described it, but good peace of mind for the buyer. The two cars I've bought on eBay, my Esprit Turbo and the Corolla GTS, I put a deposit on and paid the rest when I picked it up in person. The Rolla was only four bills, so no big deal there, but the Esprit was Real Money, so I certainly wanted to have a hands-on with that.

  • Sept. 30, 2010 12:02 p.m. triumph5 HalfDork

    P.S. Wait a minute, just read the thread with the updates from other posters. If he did NOT buy it through an ebay auction, then, Caveat Empor applies big time. Deception of fraud will have to be proved in order to win. A very expensive lesson may be learned on pre-inspecting a car on this one. Fraud/deception of the car, and/or a history of such by the seller are your only hopes on this one.

  • Cotton

    Sept. 30, 2010 12:10 p.m. Cotton Dork

    I flew out to pick up a bike in TX....had a 100 dollar ppi done at the bike dealer beforehand. The bike was a 1/4 of the cost of the car. I don't understand why he didn't have it inspected.

  • 1988RedT2

    Sept. 30, 2010 12:59 p.m. 1988RedT2 Reader

    It sucks that the seller chose to lie about the condition of the vehicle, but I could never spend that much on a sight-unseen purchase.

  • paanta

    Sept. 30, 2010 1:19 p.m. paanta New Reader

    Ooof, that's a lot of money to piss away like that.

    Let me tell you about this used Audi 4KTQ rally car I sold my perfect '91 GLI to pay for sight unseen.......actually, there are guns in the house and I've had a couple of beers. I probably shouldn't relive those memories just now.

  • fastmiata

    Sept. 30, 2010 1:50 p.m. fastmiata Reader

    I dont know Calif law and it may be different but in Tennessee, caveat emptor will apply unless you can find "active" fraud or deception. And words not included in the written contract are generally considered to be puffing.
    You can try contacting the seller and/or ebay and trying to play the embarrassment card but in a lawsuit setting, I know which client I would prefer to represent(since I hate to lose a case) unless a very deep pocket exists to pay my fees. Rich guys can afford to get into these types of fights; the rest of us just have to consider it to be education.

  • pinchvalve

    Sept. 30, 2010 2:15 p.m. pinchvalve SuperDork

    If this guy is active in the PCA, that may be your best option. Fill their board with this story and feet word out to all members and such. Maybe he will value his reputation in that community enough to work with you.

  • jhaas

    Sept. 30, 2010 3:44 p.m. jhaas Reader

    pinchvalve wrote:

    If this guy is active in the PCA, that may be your best option. Fill their board with this story and feet word out to all members and such. Maybe he will value his reputation in that community enough to work with you.

    my buddy mentioned the PCA angle to him and got a very quick reaction out of him. he did NOT like it. he has since offered around a 10% discount. does this mean he thinks he's in the wrong? do we have him on the ropes? should we keep pushing? haven't gotten a lawyer involved yet, my lawyer would represent my friend for free if it just takes some phone calls and a letter or two...

  • BoxheadTim

    Sept. 30, 2010 3:46 p.m. BoxheadTim Dork

    Do the 10% cover the work to get it up to the standard he says it was in?

    That might be a rhetorical question. I'd still talk to a lawyer just to see if it's worth pursuing - a decent lawyer will normally be able to tell you if it's worth their while.

  • Sept. 30, 2010 3:51 p.m. triumph5 HalfDork

    In reply to jhaas: Persue pressure persevance, positively!

  • Woody

    Sept. 30, 2010 4:26 p.m. Woody SuperDork

    If he reacted quickly to the PCA angle, focus on that.

  • wearymicrobe

    Sept. 30, 2010 6:38 p.m. wearymicrobe Reader

    Seriously its not like you paid in cash right, put a hold on the wire, or cashiers check if its been less the 10 biz days. Wire you have even longer.

    Claim fraud and the bank will back you until you get resolution.

  • Varkwso

    Sept. 30, 2010 6:57 p.m. Varkwso Reader

    As many have said - you are probably out of luck. I did like the photos of the rust free pans. Any chance of as is photos to compare to?

    The one car I bought sight unseen was a bit of a mistake - not $21,000 worth (yet)...

  • Sept. 30, 2010 7:26 p.m. paul Reader

    Woody wrote:

    If he reacted quickly to the PCA angle, focus on that.

    +1... For someone to more or less 'fold' and offer a 10% discount, some guilt has to be present there. If the PCA angle is used, be sure not to let emotions enter the fray, just post his written facts, and your facts/pictures...

  • Cotton

    Oct. 19, 2010 3:01 p.m. Cotton Dork

    so what happened?

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