Here's a Grand Cherokee I can get behind -
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Oct. 18, 2010 2:10 p.m. DILYSI Dave SuperDork
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Oct. 18, 2010 2:23 p.m. WilberM3 Reader
hell yes. someday....
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Oct. 18, 2010 2:25 p.m. skruffy SuperDork
I bought my '94 non-grand cherokee for about $400. A used engine, a set of tires and shocks, some paint for the wheels, some cheap stereo stuff, ignition switch, and lots of cleaning and I've got around a grand in it on top of the purchase price. I love it.
Parts for the small cherokees are cheap. The ignition switch was $8. Plugs, wires, waterpump, cap & rotor, belts, and oil for the new motor was about $50. They're also about the simplest non-carbed vehicle I've ever worked on.
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Oct. 18, 2010 8:11 p.m. Jensenman SuperDork
Knurled wrote:
I missed this before...
Jensenman wrote: The 2000-up were Chrysler's first attempt at a CAN BUS electrical system and they had some horrid weird problems. I have seen one car which continually stalled due to a right front power window switch control module (switch assembly). No I am not making that up.
That's basically any CAN vehicle ever. Your kid putting pennies in the CD slot in the radio can result in a no-start.
I saw a Liberty laid low by a cheapo iPod adapter. That girl was PISSED.
The 2000-up GCs generally were not nice vehicles electrically. (By the way, I forgot to mention the door lock actuators.) The early ones were not much better but they weren't as easy to kill as the CAN BUS cars. The little Cherokees just never had anywhere near the level of electrical weirdness the GCs had mostly because they had nowhere near the amount of electronic doodads.
I have seen both 3.7 V6's and 4.7 V8's spit rocker arms out for no good reason. Both engines have been known to have bad valve rotators lead to sticking/burnt exhaust and intake valves, that's actually rather common, there's a TSB out for the 3.7 doing that. Makes them shake like a wet dog at idle.
Something else: on the older QuadraTrac rigs, if the front driveshaft is removed you no longer have 'Park'.
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Oct. 18, 2010 8:37 p.m. plance1 Dork
DILYSI Dave wrote:
Here's a Grand Cherokee I can get behind -
Cool, but isn't that a wagoneer?
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Oct. 18, 2010 8:48 p.m. ignorant SuperDork
plance1 wrote:
DILYSI Dave wrote:
Here's a Grand Cherokee I can get behind -
Cool, but isn't that a wagoneer?
yeah you think he would know the difference since he designed
Most of that sweet sweet blingoes..
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Oct. 18, 2010 8:55 p.m. eebasist New Reader
Electrical Gremlins. I had an intermittent short in a parking lamp that would literally stall the vehicle out at random times (2004). The early models weren't much better as electrical gremlins in my brother's 1996.
Mechanical. The V8 while full of torque for the bloated SUV has the typical intake manifold/oil gallery leak common in the dodge 5.2/5.9 engines. Typical Chrysler transmission problems to boot. The rear axle is a bastardized aluminum D35.......they don't make aftermarket parts for it.
Now the Cherokee XJ, well you just can't kill one (4.0) much more spartan than the ZJ. There is a huge following for the XJ at www.naxja.org
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Oct. 18, 2010 9:33 p.m. Knurled HalfDork
Jensenman wrote: By the way, I forgot to mention the door lock actuators.
I forget, are they the ones that just make horrible squealing/buzzing noises like a mouse hit with a Taser, or am I thinking of Explorers?
I have seen both 3.7 V6's and 4.7 V8's spit rocker arms out for no good reason. Both engines have been known to have bad valve rotators lead to sticking/burnt exhaust and intake valves, that's actually rather common, there's a TSB out for the 3.7 doing that. Makes them shake like a wet dog at idle.
And the warranty only covers doing ONE head. Assuming you can get the dealer to do it.
I didn't know about the rocker thing. A friend of mine has a 4.7 Durango. It's not that bad of a tow vehicle except when you figure it only gets 11mpg with a trailer. Anyway, if it sits for more than a couple days, the lifters clatter like you wouldn't believe for about a minute. That might explain the rocker thing.
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Oct. 18, 2010 9:59 p.m. DILYSI Dave SuperDork
Eh. I didn't design E36 M3 for FSJ's. There was some fullsize that was a GC, though I don't know which one.
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Oct. 19, 2010 8:23 a.m. Javelin SuperDork
DILYSI Dave wrote:
Eh. I didn't design E36 M3 for FSJ's. There was some fullsize that was a GC, though I don't know which one.
Sorry, still a no. The legendary and all-knowing Wagoneer line only spawned a Cherokee (2-door FSJ) and a Cherokee Chief (same thing, with wide-track).
Cherokee
Cherokee Chief
There was also the original Super Wagoneer, and the Wagoneer Limited which led to the Grand Wagoneer.
There was, however, a total affront to the great AMC by making a marketing-BS "Grand Wagoneer" based off the awful ZJ:
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Oct. 19, 2010 9:19 a.m. DILYSI Dave SuperDork
Cherokee Chief. Doh. Thanks for the learnin.
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Oct. 19, 2010 10:17 a.m. miatame Reader
Don't forget about the Cherokee (XJ) Wagoneer and very similar Cherokee Briarwood. I think the only difference was the headlights and grill.
Wagoneer:
Briarwood (exactly like the one I had):
