Streetwiseguy said:You know that's a Ford you are trying to buy parts for, right? The only compaies worse at supporting older cars are out of business.
100% this. Ford stops giving a berk about your old Ford as soon as they are legally allowed to stop giving a berk about your old Ford.
In reply to Appleseed :
Apparently, Chevy didn't sell service parts for the four cam ZR1 engines... even when they were being produced.
In reply to Knurled. :
According to Ford it IS a check valve.
You can still buy Model T and A parts. Of course not Ford supplied.
Parts are supplied by demand just like any other commodity.
"We just sold that last gizmo, should we have more made ? Nah, that is the only one we sold in a year."
Lots of ZX2 parts are the same as many contemporary fords and mazdas. The Protege up to 1996 shares a lot of common chassis parts with the escorts up to 2000.
iceracer said:In reply to Knurled. :
According to Ford it IS a check valve.
And according to everyone else, it's something else 
Ford called rear O2 sensors "catalyst monitors".
IIRC there is no check valve in that device. It's just a venturi. The check valve is on the booster where the hose connects.
The idea behind that device is, even at heavy throttle (low manifold vacuum) there will be airflow moving through that hose because of the small pressure drop between the intake manifold and throttle body ducting. This moving airflow can be used to create a vacuum so that the power brakes still work.
Fird used it a lot in the 90s and 00s, with other manufacturers like Volvo using a similar device. What I think of as the Ford device can now be found on Hyundai/Kia models, and I have seen it on GMs with small engines, presumably because they're too cheap to put Bosch vacuum pumps on everything like they used to.
In reply to Knurled. :
The "catalyst monitor" part is to hide the way its really used...
(ok, everyone uses it that way, but there are a LOT of people out there who don't think the second O2 sensor trims the fuel, some think its impossible)
iceracer said:You can still buy Model T and A parts. Of course not Ford supplied.
Parts are supplied by demand just like any other commodity.
"We just sold that last gizmo, should we have more made ? Nah, that is the only one we sold in a year."
100% this. Although the government has their hands deep into the auto business, they do not mandate how long an OEM must or must not supply service parts.
I have 30 years experience in OEM and aftermarket parts. Up to the executive level.
I have a friend who is a parts buyer for Honda in Troy, OH. All their OES parts go thru her department. She decides if there will or won't be a market for these parts, and thus if it will be sold. LKQ and others often are the last resort. Model year not withstanding.
Supply and demand.
In reply to alfadriver :
It makes sense to me.... the purpose of feedback control is to make the catalyst happy. You know how happy the catalyst is by watching the post-converter oxygen sensor.
In reply to Knurled. :
Then you know more than my 2000 ZX2 service manual.
I clearly shows the "check valve" in the main vacuum line from the intake manifold to the booster.
And is exactly where I have seen it.
There is no check valve shown on the booster.
In reply to iceracer :
Oh, right, Mazda puts the check valve inside the hose. Ford probably grandfathered that in when they made the '98-up evolution of the chassis. (They kept those damned Lucas brakes, after all... which look almost identical to the brakes on my '73 RX-3)
Ford calls a 4-barrel carb a 4-venturi carburetor which is probably -more- correct.
I called one of the oldest Lincoln dealers in Atlanta the other week trying to help out an old lady in my neighborhood. She needed parts for her '93 Mark VIII. The parts department guy sounded pissed that I even bothered him. I told him the reason why I called was that since they have been around so long, maybe they had some old stock sitting around. He vehemently denied having any parts for ANY cars older than two years on the shelf, then ranted about how it was mandated by the government that they couldn't sell anything past that age.
I explained to him that I spent a chunk of my career working for companies where our business model was buying the old stuff that clogged up dealership stockrooms. He denied such a thing was possible and we must have only bought from dealership that were going out of business. Umm, not quite. I thanked him for his time and hung up.
In reply to slefain :
Yeah.... he's either lying through his teeth, in which case you're better off not dealing with him, or he's a clueless peon who believes whatever FW: FW: FW: he gets in his e-mail account, in which case you're better off not dealing with him. If I had a hairy bug up my ass that day, I'd call the regional office to let them know that the parts department at XXX dealership is telling people that Ford was not supporting cars more than two years old. That kind of information kills resale values fast, and when you lease a lot, resale value depression will kill you.
Or, there's the line that I heard my former employer use a few times: "Is there anybody there who is competent who I could speak with, please?"
I've acquired parts for 15 year old JAGUARS through the F-L-M dealer net. Granted, I had to use a VIN from a Lincoln LS, but still.
In reply to slefain :
Please call him out. For the sake of my profit sharing check.
Really- call him out, he should not be working at any dealer, let alone Lincoln. As Knruled said, he's totally lying, or he's just totally ignorant- and both choices means he should not be in the position he is in.
Keep drinking that coolaide...
Sure, blame the government when its simple capitalism.
Knurled. said:In reply to Appleseed :
Apparently, Chevy didn't sell service parts for the four cam ZR1 engines... even when they were being produced.
Sounds like Getrag.
They basically sell no service parts for the DCTs in BMWs.............so on the off chance you do have a problem, it's:
A. Hope you can find a good, used one.
B. Drop $10k for a new one.
z31maniac said:Knurled. said:In reply to Appleseed :
Apparently, Chevy didn't sell service parts for the four cam ZR1 engines... even when they were being produced.
Sounds like Getrag.
They basically sell no service parts for the DCTs in BMWs.............so on the off chance you do have a problem, it's:
A. Hope you can find a good, used one.
B. Drop $10k for a new one.
I wonder if this line of thinking is driven by dealers. The labor rate for dealer service tends to be high. Diagnosing a faulty transmission can take a long time and can be very hard to predict time-wise. And the chance of a come-back is high. Sure, fixing a faulty transmission may take less time sometimes, or maybe even most of the time, but a straight up transmission R&R is generally the same every time.
When a DCT goes out of warranty and becomes prone to a certain failure, it will be up to the aftermarket to come up with a fix cheaper than replacing the entire transmission.
In reply to Ian F :
You can't get service parts for Getrags used in Mitsubishis or Volvos either.
I know there are specialists for the Getrags used in the 3000GT, not sure where they are getting their parts, but they are.
slefain said:I called one of the oldest Lincoln dealers in Atlanta the other week trying to help out an old lady in my neighborhood. She needed parts for her '93 Mark VIII. The parts department guy sounded pissed that I even bothered him. I told him the reason why I called was that since they have been around so long, maybe they had some old stock sitting around. He vehemently denied having any parts for ANY cars older than two years on the shelf, then ranted about how it was mandated by the government that they couldn't sell anything past that age.
I explained to him that I spent a chunk of my career working for companies where our business model was buying the old stuff that clogged up dealership stockrooms. He denied such a thing was possible and we must have only bought from dealership that were going out of business. Umm, not quite. I thanked him for his time and hung up.
sounds like he didn't want to be bothered.
That dealership guy sounds like the guy I overheard at a convenience store telling his buddies that there are giant tunnels deep underground made by some kind of strange creatures that the government doesn't want us to know about. 
slowbird said:That dealership guy sounds like the guy I overheard at a convenience store telling his buddies that there are giant tunnels deep underground made by some kind of strange creatures that the government doesn't want us to know about.
Elon Musk?
In reply to Knurled. :
Specialists may be having parts made if they can pin-point the failure and can make the part cost-effectively and in a way that corrects the problem.
This my point. What incentive does Getrags have to sell service parts when they can just sell entire transmissions. If the aftermarket can make money selling parts for out of production transmissions, they are welcome to do so.
Your problem sounds like a internal leak in the master cylinder - like others have pointed out already.
There are companies on line that sell "New Old Stock" parts. Basically they buy out all existing parts that Ford or whomever decide to quit producing. If they don't have it your next stop is looking up similar parts for newer models and find one that is an approximate duplicate, install that one, and see if it works. I figure no CEL and its good to go.
I have had to do this several times for my 1997 Ford Ranger.
It is very frustrating that I have a perfectly good truck and some stupid part in the vapor recovery system or EGR goes bad with no options for replacement. I live in an emissions control area, any CEL and you fail, so I am looking at having to sell my truck because a couple of parts in that vapor recovery system are not available anymore. Hopefully I find the replacement before my next mandatory inspection.
Want to buy parts for your Citroen ? I can tell you where.
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