patgizz wrote:the sky doesn't need the LS7, the turbo 4 is a hell of a combo. my fiancee's mom has an 08 redline - cool little car.
Uhhh it'd still be major fun, I mean my wrx didn't NEED more power but the make the sti.
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June 5, 2009 9:21 p.m. wherethefmi HalfDork
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June 5, 2009 10:08 p.m. carguy123 Dork
Type Q wrote:
belteshazzar wrote:
see how letting GM crash is not a bad thing in the long run?! somebody tell obama.
Your post came across to me as being a bit smug and uncaring to the thousands of people that are caught in this huge painful upheaval.
Gee and I just saw it as a guy talking about making lemonade out of lemons or the silver lining in the dark clouds. Lighten up!
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June 6, 2009 8:28 a.m. MA2LA New Reader
And on top of all that he could bring saturn to nascar, Hes not exactly getting alot of money from dodge right now.
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June 6, 2009 8:55 a.m. maroon92 UltraDork
I would rather see him bring Saturn to Grand Am...maybe the turbo ecotec 4 could compete with Lexus, Pontiac, and Ford V8's
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June 6, 2009 9:23 p.m. wlkelley3 HalfDork
I just think it would be great if Saturn comes out with a Skye Coupe that was planned for the Solstice.
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June 6, 2009 10:09 p.m. mad_machine UltraDork
yes, but it needs to lose that stupid (and heavy) t-top or targa top thing that GM built into it
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June 6, 2009 10:11 p.m. ReverendDexter HalfDork
I have high hopes for Saturn seeing this.
I was interested in a 3-door Astra, but the combination of weight and lack of power made me reconsider. Maybe Penske could get the turbo ecotec in one, though? American power in a european chassis sounds like win to me.
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June 6, 2009 10:50 p.m. RossD Reader
It would be cool if penske made saturn into a domestic bmw. Like how bmw is over in europe, but over here. Ya know, but without the need for every car having leather and high end (read: expensive) crap in it. A bunch of small rwd cars with nice rides and sports appeal.
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June 7, 2009 7:04 a.m. 4cylndrfury HalfDork
neon4891 wrote:
Saturn gets sold off and Pontiac simply dies, WTF??!!!
lets hope the Pontiac G8 will become the Chevrolet somethingorother baddassery once "the new GM" emerges and they get back to rebadging EVERYTHING just like before.
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June 7, 2009 7:12 a.m. BobOfTheFuture Reader
RossD wrote:
It would be cool if penske made saturn into a domestic bmw. Like how bmw is over in europe, but over here. Ya know, but without the need for every car having leather and high end (read: expensive) crap in it. A bunch of small rwd cars with nice rides and sports appeal.
This is the best idea ive heard all year.
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June 7, 2009 8:46 a.m. 4cylndrfury HalfDork
RossD wrote:
It would be cool if penske made saturn into a domestic bmw. Like how bmw is over in europe, but over here. Ya know, but without the need for every car having leather and high end (read: expensive) crap in it. A bunch of small rwd cars with nice rides and sports appeal.
FTMFW!!!!!!!!!
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June 7, 2009 8:55 a.m. carguy123 Dork
4cylndrfury wrote:
lets hope the Pontiac G8 will become the Chevrolet somethingorother baddassery once "the new GM" emerges and they get back to rebadging EVERYTHING just like before.
Nah, the powers that be have said the G8 will never become a Cheby anything.
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June 7, 2009 10:14 a.m. 4cylndrfury HalfDork
carguy123 wrote:
Nah, the powers that be have said the G8 will never become a Cheby anything.
why should we listen to those dumbasses? We (you and I and all the rest of us Americans) own 60% of GM now, they have to listen to us. The jackasses that be got us into this mess in the first place. Berkley those mother berkleyers...I guess Im gonna have to try to get my hands on one before the dying pontiac lots dry up and wither away
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June 9, 2009 1:06 a.m. Brust Reader
I third the domestic BMW idea. Penske should know how to make them handle. This could really be the birth of a great american luxury brand if they work it out right. Problem is that they are starting at the worst possible time for luxury/sport.
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June 9, 2009 7:11 a.m. RossD Reader
Actually I was thinking about how BMW is not just a luxury/sport in europe (like it is here). They sell non-spiffed up version of their cars over there for more of the average person. All the luxury stuff just adds price, IMHO.
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June 9, 2009 8:26 a.m. CrackMonkey HalfDork
RossD wrote:
It would be cool if penske made saturn into a domestic bmw.
Unlikely.
More likely:
They just need to find a way to get around the chicken tax. Mahindra opens a plant in Mexico and sells through the existing Saturn network. It's win-win - Saturn stays alive, gets a real truck, and Mahindra gets market penetration in the US.
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June 9, 2009 9:00 a.m. Xceler8x Dork
CrackMonkey wrote:
They just need to find a way to get around the chicken tax. Mahindra opens a plant in Mexico and sells through the existing Saturn network. It's win-win - Saturn stays alive, gets a real truck, and Mahindra gets market penetration in the US.
And we get a smaller 2.3 direct inject diesel truck. I'd love to see that. Maybe the Saturn dealer network will be a way for us to get all those cool boutique cars the world can buy but we can't.
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June 9, 2009 9:18 a.m. TJ Reader
Would Penske sell a McLaren orange truck?
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June 9, 2009 10:29 a.m. kpm New Reader
It's my understanding the Sky is dead, no matter what.
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June 9, 2009 10:52 a.m. TJ Reader
kpm wrote:
It's my understanding the Sky is dead, no matter what.
Sounds like a Stevie Ray Vaughn song....almost.
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June 9, 2009 10:54 a.m. carguy123 Dork
kpm wrote:
It's my understanding the Sky is dead, no matter what.
That's with the present owners. The new owners can make whatever they want to make
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June 9, 2009 11:02 a.m. jde Reader
TJ wrote:
Would Penske sell a McLaren orange truck?
I can't see him being overburdened by nostalgia about a rival he beat to the point of turning away potential revenue.
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June 9, 2009 11:14 a.m. CrackMonkey HalfDork
carguy123 wrote: That's with the present owners. The new owners can make whatever they want to make
Saturn doesn't build the Skystice. GM does. GM has said they are killing it. They might change their mind, but I doubt it.
Penske isn't getting much in the way of manufacturing capacity in this deal. The new Saturn will have to buy cars from GM in the short term. I suspect they will phase in products from emerging manufacturers (Tata, Mahindra, something Chinese) over the next 5-10 years.
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June 9, 2009 1:53 p.m. TJ Reader
Can't wait to see those tatas....just so I can say "hey, look at those ta ta's"
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June 9, 2009 7:39 p.m. jde Reader
TJ wrote:
Can't wait to see those tatas....just so I can say "hey, look at those ta ta's"
Just think of the fun if they use an alphanumeric model naming scheme as is the fashion these days.
