4cylndrfury wrote:nderwater wrote: You'd think that GM would be experts at that kind of badge engineering. I'd have no problem with a Chevy Solstice or G8.C8 FTMFW
a TRUE Impala SS
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April 26, 2009 4:50 p.m. neon4891 SuperDork
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April 27, 2009 1:10 a.m. Appleseed HalfDork
stuart in mn wrote:
Appleseed wrote: When's the last time you saw a GTO ad?
Don't forget they only sold them from 2004-2006.
Don't forget they only sold the Impala SS for three years and the had Lord Vader shilling for them.
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April 27, 2009 7:58 a.m. ignorant PowerDork
Ok.. so the announced it offically..
They're gone.
Should have done it months ago..
Now listen to MR. T and return to profitability by making good decisions.
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April 27, 2009 8:31 a.m. P71 Dork
Keeping GMC and killing Saturn/Opel and Pontiac are good decisions? Renaming the finally-has-a-good-rep Cobalt the Cruze is a good decision?
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April 27, 2009 8:35 a.m. 93celicaGT2 Dork
Anyone else find it amusing that they're running TV ads for Saturn with "job layoff protection" where they make your monthly payment for like... 9 months or something up to $500 a month?
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April 27, 2009 8:41 a.m. ignorant PowerDork
P71 wrote:
Keeping GMC and killing Saturn/Opel and Pontiac are good decisions? Renaming the finally-has-a-good-rep Cobalt the Cruze is a good decision?
the damn company needed to poop or get off the pot. they vacillated so much that I think that finally picking a direction and then going for it, IS a good idea.
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April 27, 2009 8:42 a.m. Moparman Reader
Buick should have gone, but Buicks are popular in China. The Chinese go gaga over Buicks.
Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich told us all where business is going in Saturday's Wall Street Journal. He stated that with the government being large investors in many companies (this includes GM) that the government to step in and prevent boards of directors and other shareholders from pushing to build cars that are profitable and instead force them to build what is right for America. I quote:
"Suppose we tell General Motors Corp. -- now partly ours -- to shift its fleet to more fuel-efficient cars. Yet its executives know that as long as gas prices are low, Americans remain infatuated with highly profitable SUVs and pickup trucks? GM executives would have a perfect right, if not a duty, to disregard what we as citizens tell them to do in favor of what shareholders want them to do."
Agree or disagree with GM's product line and management (which I think has been dysfunctional for nearly four decades) companies should be able to build what the market demands (or what they think the market demands). If they are wrong, they fail and if they are right, they prosper.
GM's problems came to a head because its labor and legacy costs were so high that it needed SUVs and their wide margins just to survive. Remember, GM struggled throughout the economic bubble. Not too many companies can say that they performed so poorly.
Look for GM to become a public utility, building the "right" cars and existing to provide employment. Chrysler will be the same. Ford has a shot to be profitable again, maybe.
I own seven vehicles, counting the two my children drive. Five are Domestic. I will never buy another GM or Chrysler vehicle, period.
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April 27, 2009 8:49 a.m. Moparman Reader
Chris_V wrote:
The original GTO was an economy car tempest with a big engine. it may not have looked "outdated" then, but it did look like an economy car. In fact, it looked IDENTICAL to an economy car because that's really what it was. the new one only superficially had a bit of family resemblance to an economy car, so complaining that it looked like an economy car is really complaining about nothing. Sorry.
I thought the 64 Tempest / GTO was bland too. The 66 / 67s are my favorites.
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April 27, 2009 9:03 a.m. P71 Dork
This must be what it felt like when AMC died.
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April 27, 2009 9:07 a.m. John Brown MegaDork
The ultimate coup would be if Saturn was able to purchase rights to Pontiac. Keep Pontiac as Saturns "Premium Performance line" with four models. The Solstice G8, G6 and the G5, Saturn runs the Sky, Astra, Aura, Outlook, Vue UNTIL the GM contract is up. Until them redesign both lines to include three models each: Saturn gets a MICRO, an Astra class coupe/sedan, an Aura class sedan and wagon with available AWD. Pontiac gets a PREMIUM Aura class sedan, a G8/M3 class car and a Sky/Solstice coupe/convertible.
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April 27, 2009 9:18 a.m. jrw1621 HalfDork
Did the Pontiac Solstic Coupe ever get introduced?
I have not actually witnessed one on the road.
Could this be the big collectable along with V8 G8's?
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April 27, 2009 9:24 a.m. 4cylndrfury HalfDork
John Brown wrote:
The ultimate coup would be if Saturn was able to purchase rights to Pontiac. Keep Pontiac as Saturns "Premium Performance line" with four models. The Solstice G8, G6 and the G5, Saturn runs the Sky, Astra, Aura, Outlook, Vue UNTIL the GM contract is up. Until them redesign both lines to include three models each: Saturn gets a MICRO, an Astra class coupe/sedan, an Aura class sedan and wagon with available AWD. Pontiac gets a PREMIUM Aura class sedan, a G8/M3 class car and a Sky/Solstice coupe/convertible.
FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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April 27, 2009 9:32 a.m. Duke Dork
jrw1621 wrote:
Did the Pontiac Solstic Coupe ever get introduced?
I have not actually witnessed one on the road.I've seen two.
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April 27, 2009 10:03 a.m. neon4891 SuperDork
4cylndrfury wrote:
John Brown wrote:
The ultimate coup would be if Saturn was able to purchase rights to Pontiac. Keep Pontiac as Saturns "Premium Performance line" with four models. The Solstice G8, G6 and the G5, Saturn runs the Sky, Astra, Aura, Outlook, Vue UNTIL the GM contract is up. Until them redesign both lines to include three models each: Saturn gets a MICRO, an Astra class coupe/sedan, an Aura class sedan and wagon with available AWD. Pontiac gets a PREMIUM Aura class sedan, a G8/M3 class car and a Sky/Solstice coupe/convertible.
FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Count me in
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April 27, 2009 10:31 a.m. iceracer Reader
GM is also going to cut the number of dealers nearly in half
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April 27, 2009 10:51 a.m. Cotton Reader
Yep this sucks. I hate seeing Pontiac get the axe. I'm ordering the stage 1 kit for our Solstice GXP this week. Plus 30HP and 55TQ for $550. I was looking forward to checking out the GXP coupe......
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April 27, 2009 11:09 a.m. kabel Dork
Soooo what happens to all the Pontiac based race teams out there like those in the Rolex Series?
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April 27, 2009 1:48 p.m. matt New Reader
it just goes to show you that gm will continue to make poor decisions. and eventually without proper decision making skills might go the way of the doe-doe.
wait......whats that?......do i hear the sounds of GRM performance division. lol
