Tim Suddard
Tim Suddard Publisher
8/12/19 8:06 a.m.
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As promised, when we got our BMW 318is project properly finished, we found ourselves an E30 M3 to run against.

We set the showdown for VIRginia International Speedway—not just any track, but one of the fastest tracks in America.

This epic showdown on both the track and the roads around VIR was driven by none other than BimmerWorld’s James Clay. Clay is an IMSA driver, so he knows a thing or two.

Assisting him was one of our editors as well as M3 owner Marc Schatell—a reader and talented driver in his own right.

For the full story, check out the August 2019 issue of Grassroots Motorsports.

We’ll give you a hint, it was close, and we are thrilled with how our little 318is performed.

Read the rest of the story

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
8/12/19 8:26 a.m.

Any plans to get closer to the M3 track times or are you completely content with the end product? 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltimaDork
8/12/19 2:01 p.m.
Tim Suddard said:

Assisting him was one of our editors as well as M3 owner Marc Schatell—a reader and talented driver in his own right.

Hi Marc!  - Travis

Opinionated1
Opinionated1 New Reader
8/21/19 4:14 p.m.

I've been a long time grm reader. Having not read an issue in quite some time I stumbled across your issue with "low buck" e30. Let's just say there is nothing low buck about your build. Honestly it was a waste of money and a ton of time.

Let's get down to it, first off why was the e30 m3 built? To win races, something the standard e30 could not do against its competition. If everyone is so loving of the almighty m3 then everyone should know its history and why it was created.

So you start with a $450 e30 and sink $20,000+ into it, is that low buck? I think not. An $8,500 engine rebuild? Seriously? Why not just spend $9k and get a quality car to start with, your still cheaper than the m3. Which, your "goodings" pricing is highly inflated. These cars aren't cheap these days but $60k to start is off. You can get a fine example for about half that.

So much time was wasted by you and your readers with months of these bogus articles on trying to make a rat box 318 beat the almighty m3. Your $20k ratbox is lucky if it can beat a spec e30. Which by the way can be built for less than your 318.

I wont bore you with the many other reasons you botched this article. Being an automotive fan since birth, and having read hundreds of copies of grm I expected you guys to have some sort of knowledge. Geez, was I wrong. What's next, we spend $20k on a Acura integra and put it against the type r?

Thanks for wasting mine and many other readers time. I am no longer a grm reader.

stuart in mn
stuart in mn MegaDork
8/21/19 6:21 p.m.
Opinionated1 
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Petty apt username, I'd say.

Greg Voth
Greg Voth Dork
8/21/19 7:31 p.m.

I suspect he is a regular poster using a new account. 

I don't agree with everything he said but some of the points are valid.  

It not low buck but it turned out nice. Lord knows I justify my expenditures to make sense, even if in my own mind. 

captainawesome
captainawesome Reader
8/21/19 8:30 p.m.
Opinionated1 said:

I've been a long time grm reader.

Having not read an issue in quite some time I stumbled across your issue with "low buck" e30.

Thanks for wasting mine and many other readers time. I am no longer a grm reader.

Sounds like you may not be the target audience?

Long time reader.

Haven't read an issue in quite some time.

No longer a reader again because of this one set of project articles.

While I agree some of the money spent wasn't necessarily low buck, a well prepped 318is is still a fun car. Personally when I had my 318is, a Metric Mechanic built motor would have been sweet.

 

 

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
8/21/19 9:39 p.m.
captainawesome said:
Opinionated1 said:

I've been a long time grm reader.

Having not read an issue in quite some time I stumbled across your issue with "low buck" e30.

Thanks for wasting mine and many other readers time. I am no longer a grm reader.

Sounds like you may not be the target audience?

Long time reader.

Haven't read an issue in quite some time.

No longer a reader again because of this one set of project articles.

While I agree some of the money spent wasn't necessarily low buck, a well prepped 318is is still a fun car. Personally when I had my 318is, a Metric Mechanic built motor would have been sweet.

 

 

I ran M42s in multiple BMWs for the last decade (including my rally car). So I would say I'm a pretty big fan of the M42 in general.

That said, The MM engine for $8k is maybe similar power to (and less torque than) the virtually-free M50 I swapped into mine. And for all the to-do about "balanced handling from the 4-cylinder" (a line which i myself used a thousand times over the years when talking to 6-cylinder e30 friends), the reality is ....I can hardly tell the handling difference at all with the M50 (with slightly stiffer front springs).  I thought once I swapped I would probably regret it somewhat. But in truth, I don't even remotely regret it - and i'm not someone who is "chasing horsepower" in gemeral with any of my project cars (160hp porsche, lol.....)

Yeah yeah, M50, S52, M20, etc swaps are a dime a dozen in the e30 scene and wouldn't have made for a good GRM article.......... and M/M M42s are extremely rare (there's a reason for that). So I appreciate the details of the build in GRM - while at the same time rolling my eyes at the ridiculous expense to build a car that, in reality, is probably slower on the track than one with a junkyard M50. 

For half the price of the M/M M42, the truth is the real answer to "keeping the stock 4-cylinder handling" is to do and all-aluminum M54 swap that would not only be about the same weight, but also as/more powerful for less than half the cost (with better ZF transmission gearing, to boot). 

All that said, i think we all undesrtand that half the stuff in the GRM build was probably subsidized by GRM advertisers (or, at least, done to make them happy). I'm actually pretty surprised it didn't have weather-tech floormats haha....

And, I'd still rather see this build than another LS-swapped whatever......:D

captainawesome
captainawesome Reader
8/21/19 9:47 p.m.

In reply to irish44j :

M54 for sure, but a small boost ~10-12 psi turbo m42 would be a decent option as well.

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
8/21/19 10:04 p.m.
captainawesome said:

In reply to irish44j :

M54 for sure, but a small boost ~10-12 psi turbo m42 would be a decent option as well.

yup, I actually priced it out and I could have built a reliable turbo M42 setup for somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000 all-in running 8-10 psi, which is about 190whp. Only reason i didn't is that for rally, adding heat and complexity (and things like vulnerable front intercooler) doesn't usually end well.

Also determined that adding all the turbo-related stuff pretty much made the M42 setup weigh almost as much as the M50 anyhow. 

Kreb
Kreb UberDork
8/21/19 10:26 p.m.

I think that there's a serious missing of the point here. Sure the project was a fail from a bang-for-the-buck perspective, but it was inspirational, informative, and GRM did stuff few if any of us would have. In other words, they took a bench-racing fantasy and made it reality. That's a cool thing to do, and to me, much more interesting than the bazillionth article on Miatas. There's any number of ways to build a faster car for $20K, but so what?

Opinionated1 comes off as a petulant child, and we are better off without him.

aw614
aw614 Reader
8/22/19 7:49 a.m.

I enjoyed the articles and the updates and it was interesting to see how much power could be extracted from a 4 cylinder BMW, I was always curious about it b/c a friend had 318ti that he wanted to build up, but never did.

I know with my integra  for a non GSR or ITR, I've taken a similar route for it with some of the parts I've bought and it still isn't done. Why? I have no idea, other than to make it my own and enjoy the build/process regardless of expense.

 

Opinionated1
Opinionated1 New Reader
8/22/19 9:31 a.m.

So apparently I struck a major nerve. I have 1 post because i don't frequent forums. Especially grm's. Bench racing nope, falls in the same category. They just end up being fights about people's opinions that never have resolution. If this was before the internet I would have wrote the same letter to the writers. 

Long time reader, yes I was. I like the physical issue as apposed to reading it on the computer. Having a brother 4 years older than I, i have been reading grm since i was roughly 13. I'm now into my 40s. I've sat through the same autocross builds, the countless tire tests, etc. The best part of grm is that they still have a classifieds. This article is the straw that broke the camel's back.

The m3 is a homologated special. Do what you want, say what you want, the standard e30 will never come close to what the m3 is.  Awesome. The standard e30 is a good car, fun to drive, reliable, especially with the m20. I've owned 3 so far. What it is not is a purpose built racecar which the m3 is. So there will never be a comparison. 

So call me petty, a child, not the target audience for this article or what this magazine is. Let me just say I'm a racer, I'm not rich and I build all my cars myself to keep cost down, I'm pretty sure I fall right in grm's wheelhouse. 

I cant wait to see an audi coupe gt build take on a ur quattro.

06HHR
06HHR Dork
8/22/19 9:33 a.m.

In reply to Opinionated1 :

I thought you were going to quit reading GRM?

frenchyd
frenchyd UberDork
8/22/19 9:46 a.m.

In reply to Opinionated1 :

Many articles magazines write hold little or no interest to me.  This magazine does a far better job than most of writing articles that interest me.  Your opinion may vary. 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/22/19 9:51 a.m.

In reply to Opinionated1 :

Have you received enough attention yet? devil

06HHR
06HHR Dork
8/22/19 10:04 a.m.
Opinionated1 said:

I cant wait to see an audi coupe gt build take on a ur quattro.

How about an Audi GT coupe BECOMING a UR Quattro:  https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/classic-cars/audi-ur-quattro-rally-build/121927/page1/  But since you won't be reading the magazine anymore, i guess you will miss this build.  So sad..

sleepyhead the buffalo
sleepyhead the buffalo Mod Squad
8/22/19 10:11 a.m.

I’m just going to put this link right here, all subtle like

I suggest new users read and consider it, and long time users get a refresher

jj
jj HalfDork
8/22/19 11:31 a.m.

Does this forum software allow polls? Why not make a poll for readers regarding future projects. Or has this been done?

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan UberDork
8/22/19 12:55 p.m.

Opinionated.  Hates opinions on forums.  Eponymous much?

Divinizes a hyper-expensive homolgation special then brags about being a cheap bastard.

Irish!  Sacrilege the LS god is not amused!

I would like to see a build of a 190e however.  E30s are like the Honda of the old tuner crowd.

With a BMW engine if that makes everyone happy but LS would be the smart choice because moah powah.

All this reminds me that I need to renew my subscription.

I'm gonna go read some of the back articles because car builds are always cool especially if well detailed.

I'm personally having bad thoughts about putting the MR18DE in the rear of the C11.  Like rear rear.  No midships nonsense.  Like below.

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