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  • fornetti14

    Dec. 6, 2010 9:35 p.m. fornetti14 HalfDork

    I have a pulled head stud on a Subaru EJ25 and I need some advice.

    Current route I plan to take is to have a machine shop helicoil the bad stud.

    I'll then use an ARP stud kit instead of threading the OEM bolts back in.

    What does everyone think? Will it hold?

    This is for my daily appliance 2000 Subaru Forester N/A.

  • Ranger50

    Dec. 6, 2010 9:38 p.m. Ranger50 Reader

    Personally for something like this, I would use a Time-Sert. It is like a Heli-Coil, but on steroids.

    Brian

  • Dec. 6, 2010 9:41 p.m. Mikey52_1 HalfDork

    If the machine shop does its job well, there will be no problem. They'll know to keep the insert and threads square with the world; it will last at least as well as the stock bolts.

    OTOH, if you turbo it and bump the boost to 45#, don't come cryin' to me!

  • fornetti14

    Dec. 6, 2010 9:59 p.m. fornetti14 HalfDork

    I like this idea.

    http://www.timesert.com/

    Regular kits on Amazon look reasonable. This might come together after all.

  • Jay_W

    Dec. 6, 2010 10:42 p.m. Jay_W HalfDork

    Yes, Time-sert is what you want. They're holding the exhaust manifold in place on my rallycar.

  • Zomby woof

    Dec. 6, 2010 10:43 p.m. Zomby woof Dork

    A helicoil is better than the original thread, and very simple to install No need to over think it.

  • snipes

    Dec. 6, 2010 10:52 p.m. snipes Reader

    I am with Zomby woof on the helicoil, it is fine for a NA daily. Timesert = magnesium porsche case or a race car. You don't need the shop, its a do it your self project.

  • 44Dwarf

    Dec. 7, 2010 8:00 a.m. 44Dwarf Dork

    +3 on Helicoil. Most alum aircraft parts have helicoils in them. Timeserts are great for parts where the hole has become to big for helicoils due to bad removal of the broken OEM.

  • Jay_W

    Dec. 7, 2010 9:02 a.m. Jay_W HalfDork

    Weellll, OK, but the helicoils pulled right out, and we replaced em with timeserts.

  • paanta

    Dec. 7, 2010 9:07 a.m. paanta Reader

    Helicoils definitely have a tendency to pull out sometimes.

    Keenserts are not particularly expensive and I've had absolutely awesome luck with them. I think McMaster Carr has them. Nicest part about the keenserts is that they go in w/o any special tools (just a drill, tap and a screwdriver or allen key). Downside is they need a bigger hole than a helicoil does.

  • Zomby woof

    Dec. 7, 2010 9:40 a.m. Zomby woof Dork

    Helicoils, if properly done, definitely DO NOT have a tendency to pull out. If yours are pulling out, you have something wrong

  • Pumpkin Escobar

    Dec. 7, 2010 10:09 a.m. Pumpkin Escobar SuperDork

    is that an aluminum block? HTS-2000? youtube it

  • paanta

    Dec. 7, 2010 10:58 a.m. paanta Reader

    Zomby woof wrote:

    Helicoils, if properly done, definitely DO NOT have a tendency to pull out. If yours are pulling out, you have something wrong

    No doubt, but I'll take foolproof and reliable over foolvulnerable and reliable, because I'm a fool.

  • WilberM3

    Dec. 7, 2010 11:07 a.m. WilberM3 Reader

    Pumpkin Escobar wrote:

    is that an aluminum block? HTS-2000? youtube it

    i just saw that video a couple weeks ago and holy crap does it look impressive! have you used it yet?

  • Pumpkin Escobar

    Dec. 7, 2010 11:14 a.m. Pumpkin Escobar SuperDork

    no, but I have A LOT of ideas!

  • nickel_dime

    Dec. 7, 2010 2:08 p.m. nickel_dime Dork

    Being a machinist in the aerospace industry I'd be comfortable with a helicoil. If properly installed they are stronger than a regular tapped hole. Basicly the same as a rolled thread bolt is stronger than a cut thread bolt. Now if you like overkill go with a keensert. It's like the Timesert only with keeper tangs. The car will rust to nothing and zombies will take over the earth before a keensert will come out.

  • fornetti14

    Jan. 8, 2011 6:21 p.m. fornetti14 HalfDork

    Just finishing the thread.

    I used the Timesert. There was no way to thread a helicoil 3" down into the block.

    You have to file/grind the flange off the end of the timesert. That's used for flush holes and if you leave it on it will get stuck part way down the tapered hole (thanks Subaru!).

    Instead of using the Timesert insert tool you have to use an old head bolt. That will allow you to drive that insert down into the hole without having the end expand too soon. Mark the end of the head bolt so you know how far in it needs to go. Finish up with the Timesert insert tool which will expand the end of the insert "locking" the new thread into place. Really neat design but not perfect for a Subaru block.
    Timesert part number is 1112 (M11X1.25) and it was $100 on Amazon.

 
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