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  • aircooled

    Jan. 25, 2010 11:12 a.m. aircooled SuperDork

    As noted previously a Russo and Steele action in portable tents ran afoul with bad weather in Arizona. Apparently most of the damage was done by the tents falling on the cars. Some very sad damage. Someone got some good shots of the damage:

    Story:

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/22/20100122storm-hits-scottsdale-car-shows-CR.html

    Pictures:

    https://sites.google.com/a/allclassicsllc.com/www/home/2010-russo-and-steele-damages

    (the picture viewer is a bit irritating, I suggest you pause it and step through the pics)

  • pinchvalve

    Jan. 25, 2010 11:27 a.m. pinchvalve SuperDork

    Tough to look at.

  • minimac

    Jan. 25, 2010 11:39 a.m. minimac Dork

    That doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, depending upon the insurance involved.

  • Adrian_Thompson

    Jan. 25, 2010 11:40 a.m. Adrian_Thompson Reader

    I'd say the estimate of $1.5M ($5,000 per car) is going to be way low. How are they going to resolve that. Easy enough for an exotic with a known book price, but a lot of the modified cars and hot rods, it's gonna be impossible.

  • DukeOfUndersteer

    Jan. 25, 2010 11:47 a.m. DukeOfUndersteer SuperDork

    looks like that 350z and Pantera took a big hit...

  • scardeal

    Jan. 25, 2010 12:15 p.m. scardeal Reader

    That makes baby Jesus cry...

  • oldeskewltoy

    Jan. 26, 2010 12:28 p.m. oldeskewltoy New Reader

    $5k per car is no where NEAR enough

  • Jan. 27, 2010 3:34 p.m. larryevans

    was there with my 65 unrestored Galaxie 500 Convertible with 25000 original miles--Sustained 23,000 in damages let alone the deminished value of my unrestored car--Russo and Steele are doing nothing for all the people who had damages. The picture on the internet do noting unless you were there, the damages and pride are worse than anyone can imagine. If your car was damaged, I have the Claim information. Email me @leebuilders@aol.com.

  • Jan. 27, 2010 3:34 p.m. larryevans New Reader

    was there with my 65 unrestored Galaxie 500 Convertible with 25000 original miles--Sustained 23,000 in damages let alone the deminished value of my unrestored car--Russo and Steele are doing nothing for all the people who had damages. The picture on the internet do noting unless you were there, the damages and pride are worse than anyone can imagine. If your car was damaged, I have the Claim information. Email me @leebuilders@aol.com.

  • Jamesc2123

    Jan. 27, 2010 4:49 p.m. Jamesc2123 Reader

    So who foots the bill on all this? Is it up to each person's insurance to cover damages? Surely Russo and Steele would have some liability in that they were running the events and set up the tents and all...

  • mkiisupra

    Jan. 27, 2010 5:05 p.m. mkiisupra New Reader

    larryevans wrote:

    was there with my 65 unrestored Galaxie 500 Convertible with 25000 original miles--Sustained 23,000 in damages let alone the deminished value of my unrestored car--Russo and Steele are doing nothing for all the people who had damages. The picture on the internet do noting unless you were there, the damages and pride are worse than anyone can imagine. If your car was damaged, I have the Claim information. Email me @leebuilders@aol.com.

    Man, this posting of all, made my heart sink! Sorry to hear about your loss in your family. Its a shame that R&S is not taking some action for you, I am sure attendance will be markedly down next year at this venue, which is a good one. There is no recovery of a 'survivor', weep.

    Eric G

  • Woody

    Jan. 27, 2010 7:01 p.m. Woody SuperDork

    It's a shame that there weren't more of those Eleanor Mustangs under that tent.

    And by "more", I mean all of them.

  • Gearheadotaku

    Jan. 27, 2010 7:35 p.m. Gearheadotaku HalfDork

    just awful. How do you fix crushed roofs and a-pillars?

  • billy3esq

    Jan. 27, 2010 9:20 p.m. billy3esq SuperDork

    Jamesc2123 wrote:

    So who foots the bill on all this? Is it up to each person's insurance to cover damages?

    Presumably yes.

    Jamesc2123 wrote:

    Surely Russo and Steele would have some liability in that they were running the events and set up the tents and all...

    I don't know much about R&S's listing agreements, but unless there's something unusual in there, R&S should have no liability unless it can be shown that they or their agents were negligent (rough translation: failed to exercise reasonable care) in setting up the tent. Even this could possibly be waived by the listing agreement. Given how bad the storm supposedly was, I don't have any reason to believe that there was any negligence. It sounds like what is known in insurance parlance as an "Act of God."

    Now, if one or more of the collector car insurers (a fairly small group) has enough claims they pay out, they may decide to go after R&S on some sort of negligence/premises liability theory. It might be worth it to an insurer who was out a few million in claims, but any individual owner would likely be better off making a claim with their own insurer. That's why one carries insurance. Any smart collector carries "agreed value coverage," which means if the car gets smashed, the insurance company writes a check for the agreed value and keeps the car.

    There isn't really any reason why R&S would insure the value of the cars because, as I understand the auction format, they never own the cars. R&S would only insure an amount commensurate with their exposure, which at most the value of the company.

  • Woody

    Jan. 27, 2010 9:45 p.m. Woody SuperDork

    Now suppose, say, 75% of the damaged vehicles were covered by the same insurer of classic cars. It seems like this could easily bankrupt a relatively small insurance company, unless the policies had been resold. I wonder if they ever considered the possibility of having a high number of their insured vehicles in one place at a given time.

    Ordinarily, I don't have a lot of sympathy for insurance companies (even being from Connecticut), but I do have a soft spot for the collector car insurance guys.

  • dean1484

    Jan. 28, 2010 5:50 p.m. dean1484 Dork

    I bet the tent was rented from and set up by a third party so I am sure that they will be gone after as well. R&S will point the finger at them. I know I would. My carrier mandates I rent various things and specifically forbids me from operating various things (bucket trucks, cranes etc) I bet that this is no different. R&S will point to the people that supplied the tent.

  • gamby

    Jan. 29, 2010 7:52 a.m. gamby SuperDork

    larryevans wrote:

    was there with my 65 unrestored Galaxie 500 Convertible with 25000 original miles--Sustained 23,000 in damages let alone the deminished value of my unrestored car--Russo and Steele are doing nothing for all the people who had damages. The picture on the internet do noting unless you were there, the damages and pride are worse than anyone can imagine. If your car was damaged, I have the Claim information. Email me @leebuilders@aol.com.

    That is literally heartbreaking.

    A lot of broken hearts that day.

  • Jan. 29, 2010 8:06 a.m. carcrazy New Reader

    In reply to Adrian_Thompson: Didn't Hagerty Insurance make that estimate?

 
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