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Jan. 30, 2009 1:31 p.m. Salanis UltraDork

ae86andkp61 wrote:

OK, Cessna drivers...can any of you explain how air-cooled airplane engine design has any significance or relationship to liquid-cooled automotive engine design?

Virtually none. An airplane engine is a totally different beast, and mechanically cruder.

I'm fairly certain the reasons for a flat engine on a plane are not ones of performance. It has much more to do with space, weight, aerodynamics, and CG (less weight hanging off the nose).

Airplane engines run differently than car engines. Car engines rev and need to perform across a wide power band. Airplane engines are designed to run at a constant 70-90% power level.

Remember, in WWII the highest performance air-corps fighters all ran inline engines and naval aircraft all used radials.

And for the record, I'm more of a Piper guy than a Cessna guy.
March 23, 2009 4:04 p.m. ignorant PowerDork

Ok.. It's back on again..

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/23/report-toyota-reviving-celica-name-for-joint-su...
March 23, 2009 4:12 p.m. 93celicaGT2 Dork

This Celica fan is angry at seeing what they did there....
March 23, 2009 4:21 p.m. snipes New Reader

93celicaGT2 wrote:

This Celica fan is angry at seeing what they did there....

93 celica I alway like your post so what is wrong here? Yes it looks like a Scion but building it is better than not building a RWD Celica.
March 23, 2009 4:27 p.m. DirtyBird222 Dork

that last pic...looks spot on with Toyota plain-ness. Sweeet
March 23, 2009 4:28 p.m. SlickDizzy SuperDork

ignorant wrote:

Ok.. It's back on again..

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/23/report-toyota-reviving-celica-name-for-joint-su...

I would make payments on that if it was $22k.
March 23, 2009 4:45 p.m. Twin_Cam Dork

Is it sad that I saw 2800 pounds and said "Nice!"?
March 23, 2009 4:48 p.m. 93celicaGT2 Dork

snipes wrote:

93celicaGT2 wrote:

This Celica fan is angry at seeing what they did there....

93 celica I alway like your post so what is wrong here? Yes it looks like a Scion but building it is better than not building a RWD Celica.

I don't care about the looks so much, i like new Scions probably more than most.

But a Subaru drivetrain? REALLY?!?!

Make it light, stuff the outgoing Celica GTS motor in there, it's good enough for Lotus, why isn't it good enough for Toyota?

Hell, put the 3.5 2grfe camry motor in the sucker, mount it like you did the IS350! (Oh wait, then people won't want an IS350)

How about updating the old BEAMS 3sge? It could EASILY make the same power they're speculating this motor will, and it'll be a damn Toyota.

I'm sorry..... this makes me sick. Almost as much as the JDM Toyota Cavalier. (yes, it exists, look it up, prepare to be horrified.)

I'm sure it'll be an interesting car, and i would love nothing more than it to be the next big competitor to the Genesis Coupe. But IF i buy one, the warranty will be voided the very first day as i rip that drivetrain out and sell it to COMPLETELY fund me putting a Toyota motor in it.

Yes i'm a gibbering, blathering, rabid fanboi.
March 23, 2009 5:16 p.m. P71 Dork

Looks like the designer stole the RX8 nose lock, stock, and barrel and threw in RX8 wheels just to make sure...
March 23, 2009 5:30 p.m. John Brown MegaDork

From CARS

I like the Mofospec version ;)
March 23, 2009 5:31 p.m. PaulY New Reader

It looks good in an understated way. I thought north America wasn't getting the Toyota version? Personally, I'd prefer to own the Subaru as I'm not that crazy about Toyota and there doesn't seem to be a difference other than looks. I also think going with the rwd Subaru drive train is really cool, it's a completely different path for both companies. I just hope this car lives up to it's sporty intentions and the that the whole point of the car will be having driving fun for cheap.
March 23, 2009 7:42 p.m. P71 Dork

I like his taste...
March 24, 2009 7:47 a.m. 4cylndrfury Reader

93celicaGT2 wrote:

<I'm sorry..... this makes me sick. Almost as much as the JDM Toyota Cavalier. (yes, it exists, look it up, prepare to be horrified.)

woah...they didnt even bother changing the body at all
March 24, 2009 8:10 a.m. Stuc HalfDork

I saw this yesterday but I had a hard time believing it. How do they go from a fully rendered 3-D model (in the first post) to a sketch and think it is going to be released this year ("2010 Celica").

Nevertheless... doesn't look bad.. but definitely looks like a 50/50 mix between an Aston and a Tiburon.
March 24, 2009 8:54 a.m. sachilles Reader

Oddly enough, I think it will market itself better in the US as a subaru. While Toyota once had a lot of enthusiast cars here, they are seen more as a family ride. Subarus recent marketing with the wrx and sti have given them a sportier reputation. It's like being on bizarro world, but its the world we live in righ now.
March 24, 2009 9:15 a.m. 93celicaGT2 Dork

sachilles wrote:

Oddly enough, I think it will market itself better in the US as a subaru. While Toyota once had a lot of enthusiast cars here, they are seen more as a family ride. Subarus recent marketing with the wrx and sti have given them a sportier reputation. It's like being on bizarro world, but its the world we live in righ now.

I think Toyota would be highly surprised at the number of people that WOULD buy if they would actually build their own smallish RWD fun car.... The Supra/MR2/Celica guys have been CLAMORING for years for them to bring back something of the sort.

I know my home forum alone would account for 20 sales in the first year. And that's not just dreaming. These guys WOULD buy them.
March 24, 2009 9:16 a.m. John Brown MegaDork

I dub thee "Fujiyota Celipreza"
March 24, 2009 9:21 a.m. PaulY New Reader

4cylndrfury wrote:

93celicaGT2 wrote:

<I'm sorry..... this makes me sick. Almost as much as the JDM Toyota Cavalier. (yes, it exists, look it up, prepare to be horrified.)

woah...they didnt even bother changing the body at all

That's cause the origional was so good they didn't have to change it. :)

Althought it did come with power folding mirrors, different rear tail/turn lights, different back seat, flair kit and dash panels. Plus the TRD kit which IMO was one of the best looking cavaliers they made, that and the turbosport.
March 24, 2009 9:43 a.m. 93celicaGT2 Dork

PaulY wrote:

4cylndrfury wrote:

93celicaGT2 wrote:

<I'm sorry..... this makes me sick. Almost as much as the JDM Toyota Cavalier. (yes, it exists, look it up, prepare to be horrified.)

woah...they didnt even bother changing the body at all

That's cause the origional was so good they didn't have to change it. :)

Althought it did come with power folding mirrors, different rear tail/turn lights, different back seat, flair kit and dash panels. Plus the TRD kit which IMO was one of the best looking cavaliers they made, that and the turbosport.

Lol.

TRD Cavalier. I would probably rock that for the sheer absurdity of it.
March 24, 2009 9:49 a.m. Ian F Reader

93celicaGT2 wrote: I think Toyota would be highly surprised at the number of people that WOULD buy if they would actually build their own smallish RWD fun car.... The Supra/MR2/Celica guys have been CLAMORING for years for them to bring back something of the sort.

I know my home forum alone would account for 20 sales in the first year. And that's not just dreaming. These guys WOULD buy them.

I don't disagree... while I'm not quite as much of a fan boi, having owned a Toyota in the past (as well as a Subaru), I'd be interested to see one as well... However, Toyota has a long history of being... well... conservative... with their model lines... so I'd guess they'll be in "wait and see" mode...
March 24, 2009 9:53 a.m. Buzz Killington New Reader

Twin_Cam wrote:

Is it sad that I saw 2800 pounds and said "Nice!"?

yes. what's sadder is that you're not the only one.
March 24, 2009 9:54 a.m. mrdontplay Reader

Jay wrote:

How can they not offer the Toyota version outside of Japan? Every drifter-fanboy on the internet has been hailing this as the second coming of the AE86. Are they stupid?

I know it'll be exactly the same car, but... fanboys! Those are your loyalest customers!

J

We all wish there was a new AE86 or supra but toyota needs no advice on how to sell cars.
March 24, 2009 2:30 p.m. PaulY New Reader

mrdontplay wrote:

Jay wrote:

How can they not offer the Toyota version outside of Japan? Every drifter-fanboy on the internet has been hailing this as the second coming of the AE86. Are they stupid?

I know it'll be exactly the same car, but... fanboys! Those are your loyalest customers!

J

We all wish there was a new AE86 or supra but toyota needs no advice on how to sell cars.

They do need advice on selling interesting cars.
March 24, 2009 2:32 p.m. 93celicaGT2 Dork

PaulY wrote:

mrdontplay wrote:

Jay wrote:

How can they not offer the Toyota version outside of Japan? Every drifter-fanboy on the internet has been hailing this as the second coming of the AE86. Are they stupid?

I know it'll be exactly the same car, but... fanboys! Those are your loyalest customers!

J

We all wish there was a new AE86 or supra but toyota needs no advice on how to sell cars.

They do need advice on selling interesting cars.

Aaaannnndddd i just realized that you drive a Cavalier. My apologies if i offended earlier, as it may have been interpreted as me putting them down. Got nothing against them. I would love an old Z24, but other than that, just not my thing.
March 24, 2009 2:33 p.m. 4cylndrfury Reader

[ed mcmannvoice-on]Paul is correct...give that man a cigar[ed mcmannvoice-off/]

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