Viper vs Porsche on the Ring...from Speedhunters
Pretty incredible racing if you ask me...I don't normally get nervous when watching videos but those two were very very close and really high speed.
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May 20, 2009 10:33 a.m. PHeller HalfDork
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May 20, 2009 10:48 a.m. JFX001 Dork
Sweetness.
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May 20, 2009 11:12 a.m. Keith UberDork
Awesome. The Viper just didn't have the brakes it needed, and I'm impressed how evenly matched the cars seemed to be on acceleration. The only time the Viper seemed to have a big advantage there was when he got in the draft.
Love the flaggers in the second half of the lap. They're going to get some sort of repetitive strain injury waving those blue flags constantly! That's a big track and a lot of traffic - how many cars were out there?
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May 20, 2009 11:36 a.m. Stuc HalfDork
Sweet video, thanks for sharing. What was with the sound from the Viper, though? It sounds all mean and strong down low then gets nearly silent?
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May 20, 2009 11:47 a.m. Salanis UltraDork
Holy crap! That video was truly loin-stirring.
I especially loved when they blew past the Lambo. Although, getting to here those three engines running flat out, while the cars are in such close proximity was a fantastic symphony.
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May 20, 2009 11:53 a.m. Black Stig Reader
Was it just me or were there a LOT of broken down cars out there, LMAO!
And Keith is right, those flaggers were going CRAZY and it seemed as if a lot of the drivers were confused as to how to let the faster drivers pass (isn't supposed to be "Signal In The Direction You Want Them To Pass) and faster cars should NOT pass slower (or less experienced) drivers in corners?
-Dave
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May 20, 2009 12:17 p.m. PHeller HalfDork
I thought the best part was when they came up on the black BMW...one minute its a few car lengths in front of them and the next well...
the Porsche is hot on the BMW's tail, so close that you can't see the slower car...then suddenly the Porsche moves right around the BMW and it looks like the car appears out of no-where. The Viper then runs it down practically pushing it out of the way.
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May 20, 2009 12:44 p.m. JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
Two things:
Very nice defensive lines and use of traffic by the guy in the Porsche.
It's weird seeing any race footage and not seeing Miatas.
jg
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May 20, 2009 12:46 p.m. Stealthtercel New Reader
"It all happened so fast," as they say, but was that a yellow Chevy Cruze on the right at about the six-minute mark?
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May 20, 2009 1:00 p.m. Keith UberDork
Black Stig wrote:
Was it just me or were there a LOT of broken down cars out there, LMAO!
And Keith is right, those flaggers were going CRAZY and it seemed as if a lot of the drivers were confused as to how to let the faster drivers pass (isn't supposed to be "Signal In The Direction You Want Them To Pass) and faster cars should NOT pass slower (or less experienced) drivers in corners?
-Dave
This wasn't a track day, this was a race. So the indicators are simply a courtesy, and the fast cars can pass pretty much wherever they want.
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May 20, 2009 1:09 p.m. PHeller HalfDork
Stealthtercel wrote: a yellow Chevy Cruze on the right at about the six-minute mark?
I went back and watched 5 minutes up to 7 minutes and the only yellow car I saw was some sort of Fiat and a Yellow Focus RS.
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May 20, 2009 1:36 p.m. Raze Reader
The first few minutes I didn't realize it was a full up race, and the techniques employed by the Porsche seemed overly aggressive. Then I applauded the Porsche for doing such a great job at running on the ragged edge to keep ahead, I mean he was litterally throwing every mechanical bit (he slips out a couple of corners and recovers flawlessly) uses superior braking, and tosses in every driving line/tactic to keep the Viper at bay, until, alas, it seemed he didn't have the power toward the end, dunno, he did a really good job running up, and I think part of him keeping up so well in the straights was as you saw in that one side-by-side that he can simply brake much later so it only appears he's faster on the straights, but seriously Kudos, very fun to watch agressive driving on both parts...
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May 20, 2009 1:53 p.m. mrwillie New Reader
wow.....
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May 20, 2009 2:11 p.m. cwh Dork
Couple of comments. Do the race Vipers run the 500ci engine, or is it de-stroked? Viper's shifting sounded quite slow, don't most high end racers use sequential trannys? Yes, I think Porche man appeared to be a superior driver. I hope to see/ drive that track before I die.
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May 20, 2009 2:15 p.m. John Brown MegaDork
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4xQ3bfGP5s
For those that can stream YouTube but not other videos.
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May 20, 2009 2:37 p.m. Xceler8x Dork
I'm with JG on this one. The Porsche driver is a chess player. I could tell because he was thinking two or three steps ahead at all times. Notice him brake early for at least one turn near the end? I could've sworn that was to use the traffic there to block the Viper from taking the inside line and passing him. I'm a newbie at this stuff so that was the only time I noticed it.
It also seemed that the Viper couldn't buy a break in traffic. Every time I was waiting for him to open it up and get by there was some slow hatch crap right there. Frustrating to watch. I can't imagine what it was like for the driver.
The Lambo killed me. He couldn't hang but damned if he wasn't going to screw it up for at least one of the drivers by meddling where he shouldn't have been. At least he had enough sense to eventually let them go.
I didn't realize how narrow and close to the guardrails racing is at The Ring.
Last point, that Viper was faster than the Porsche. If it was slower the Porsche would've left it for dead. The Viper was right there reeling the P car in time and time again. It's like the instructors told me at various track days:
"The car that's on your bumper wasn't put there by God. He/She earned that spot and is at least faster than you. Let them by and you'll never see them again."
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May 20, 2009 2:40 p.m. slefain Dork
The guy in the Lambo needed a swift kick in the nuts for being a rolling road block to obviously faster cars.
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May 20, 2009 7:32 p.m. alex HalfDork
Black Stig wrote:
isn't supposed to be "Signal In The Direction You Want Them To Pass"
The opposite is true across the Atlantic, as far as I understand. I believe the etiquette there is to use signals to convey your intended direction. That is to say, if you're going to move off the line to the left, you signal left.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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May 20, 2009 9:29 p.m. wherethefmi HalfDork
I won't correct you, I hope to be stationed there someday. If. I get stationed there I WILL drive that track as often as possible. And I will purchase some sort of cosworth powered car.
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May 20, 2009 9:58 p.m. Rusty_Rabbit84 Reader
seeing that porsche that close under braking was making my butthole pucker...
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May 20, 2009 10:03 p.m. jmthunderbirdturbo New Reader
alex wrote:
Black Stig wrote:
isn't supposed to be "Signal In The Direction You Want Them To Pass"
The opposite is true across the Atlantic, as far as I understand. I believe the etiquette there is to use signals to convey your intended direction. That is to say, if you're going to move off the line to the left, you signal left.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
that certainly makes more sense...
-J0N
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May 20, 2009 10:23 p.m. ReverendDexter HalfDork
I have to admit, I was confused as to where they were at first, because the Forza version of the Nurburgring doesn't have that infield section.
Yeah, I'll just go hang my head in shame with the Lambo guy
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May 21, 2009 12:33 a.m. BobOfTheFuture Reader
Wow. that viper is what i would have made the t-rex sound like, if i made "jurassic park"
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May 21, 2009 12:49 a.m. friedgreencorrado Reader
alex wrote:
Black Stig wrote:
isn't supposed to be "Signal In The Direction You Want Them To Pass"
The opposite is true across the Atlantic, as far as I understand. I believe the etiquette there is to use signals to convey your intended direction. That is to say, if you're going to move off the line to the left, you signal left.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
It's a weird thing about racing "production" cars. One thing I remember from my corner worker days in the 80s is that at one time SCCA and IMSA had a Showroom Stock "pro" enduro series. In one series, you were supposed to blink on the side you were going, and in the other you were supposed to blink on the side you wanted the guy to pass you. Can't recall at the moment which one was which. Someone ask Mike Guido, IIRC he ran in both series for awhile.
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May 21, 2009 6:38 a.m. John Brown MegaDork
The Viper driver would have avoided this ten minute headache had he not overcooked it going into turn1 letting the Porsche under at the last minute.
