NOHOME
NOHOME HalfDork
5/30/12 12:38 p.m.

I can't get my car delivered, and this guy is already taking gone APART!

So, for those who don't really care about its lack of whatever the twins may not have, here is a neat thread on what is under the skin.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6914

I like this picture because it hows me how simple it should be to get rid of the stupid noise maker that feeds into th cabin.

EdenPrime
EdenPrime Reader
5/30/12 12:48 p.m.

Yup, i jizzed.

Keith
Keith MegaDork
5/30/12 12:54 p.m.

Interesting!

And the first product is...a pulley that deletes the harmonic damper. Sheesh. Put one of those on your turbo Miata and you'll never get to your next oil change before the pump shatters.

They're all excited over a bump on a grommet. Like the bump on the wire grommets from a 1990 Miata I suspect they're part of how those grommets are installed.

Too bad about the Showa shocks. Although good for the aftermarket. If the Showas on stock Miatas are any indication, Toyobaru owners will be shopping for shocks in 30,000 miles.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH UberDork
5/30/12 1:11 p.m.

So the radiator stack is actually like a pac-man mouth when viewed from the side, with the radiator up top and AC condenser below? Pretty serious setup for a production car.

It also looks like their direct-drive electric PS system acts on the column shaft rather than the rack - every time this has been tried until now the feel has been horrible. Great work if they got it to work properly, that setup is great for packaging.

Looks like maintenance isn't too bad, I wonder how hard it is to change the spark plugs.

Luke
Luke UberDork
5/30/12 1:15 p.m.

What I'm taking away from this is...imagine working on a brand new car , without years upon years of caked-on grime and dirt and oil and seized bolts.

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy HalfDork
5/30/12 1:32 p.m.
Keith wrote: Too bad about the Showa shocks. Although good for the aftermarket. If the Showas on stock Miatas are any indication, Toyobaru owners will be shopping for shocks in 30,000 miles.

I'm just guessing here... but a proportion of the new owners will have ripped all that stuff out within the 1st 6 months....

ProDarwin
ProDarwin SuperDork
5/30/12 1:49 p.m.

Huh, looks like ST(?) tire clearance is going to be more limited than I thought.

Keith
Keith MegaDork
5/30/12 1:59 p.m.

I've taken apart a car with 80 miles on it. It's awesome

Raze
Raze SuperDork
5/30/12 2:25 p.m.

So the issue that keeps coming up are spark plugs, the layout looks similar to the 2.5RS except that the heads line up with the frame rail, Aussie Toyota is saying the engine has to be raised 100 mm (4 inches) to get to the plugs...

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
5/30/12 2:25 p.m.

I bet taking a new car apart is LOTS of fun Doubt I will ever get to do it though

NOHOME
NOHOME HalfDork
5/30/12 2:31 p.m.
Raze wrote: So the issue that keeps coming up are spark plugs, the layout looks similar to the 2.5RS except that the heads line up with the frame rail, Aussie Toyota is saying the engine has to be raised 100 mm (4 inches) to get to the plugs...

Once the LSx is in there, plug changes should be a breeze

Lots of room side-to-side,

Raze
Raze SuperDork
5/30/12 2:33 p.m.

In reply to NOHOME:

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
5/30/12 2:34 p.m.

IIRC that's the same radiator layout that the 3rd gen RX7 used.

Keith
Keith MegaDork
5/30/12 2:35 p.m.

The NC Miata has a steeply raked radiator. Not a V though.

I wouldn't be worried about width with an LSx install. I'd be worried about height.

dculberson
dculberson Dork
5/30/12 2:40 p.m.
Raze wrote: So the issue that keeps coming up are spark plugs, the layout looks similar to the 2.5RS except that the heads line up with the frame rail, Aussie Toyota is saying the engine has to be raised 100 mm (4 inches) to get to the plugs...

I wonder if you can get to them through the wheel wells, like on an Astro van?

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH UberDork
5/30/12 2:45 p.m.
dculberson wrote: I wonder if you can get to them through the wheel wells, like on an Astro van?

That's what I was thinking, but I'd say there's a good chance the plug holes happen to line up with the frame rails...

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
5/30/12 3:39 p.m.
Keith wrote: Interesting! And the first product is...a pulley that deletes the harmonic damper. Sheesh. Put one of those on your turbo Miata and you'll never get to your next oil change before the pump shatters.

Totally different design of engine with much less harmonic imbalance to begin with.

Keith
Keith MegaDork
5/30/12 3:57 p.m.
carguy123 wrote:
Keith wrote: Interesting! And the first product is...a pulley that deletes the harmonic damper. Sheesh. Put one of those on your turbo Miata and you'll never get to your next oil change before the pump shatters.

Totally different design of engine with much less harmonic imbalance to begin with.

Sure, and I've seen it "proven" that you don't need one on a Miata either Well, except for the whole 500-mile-oil-pump-destruction thing. We've seen power gains on Miatas from improving the damper, not from taking them off.

A flat four isn't a totally different design of engine. It's still got the pistons applying power at different points and at different times to the crankshaft. It's still got the same number of main bearings as a straight four. Yes, it's got nice inherent balance against shaking, but that's not what the damper is for.

If I'm going to take rotating mass off a crankshaft, it's going to be off the flywheel - as that's exactly what the flywheel is for. I'm not going to do it by taking off an damper. The factory engineers put those on for a reason, and it's usually a good one.

Twin_Cam
Twin_Cam UltraDork
5/30/12 4:12 p.m.

Look how shiny

Seems like that car has some pretty cool touches. I may have to fake wanting a new car and go test drive one.

DustoffDave
DustoffDave Reader
5/30/12 4:34 p.m.

Do want! I didn't know that there were cars without grime coated on them...

ShadowSix
ShadowSix HalfDork
5/30/12 6:39 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote:
dculberson wrote: I wonder if you can get to them through the wheel wells, like on an Astro van?

That's what I was thinking, but I'd say there's a good chance the plug holes happen to line up with the frame rails...

Frame rails? This is a unibody, right?

Anyway, Ace Hardware sells hole saws for a few bucks.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH UberDork
5/30/12 7:08 p.m.
ShadowSix wrote: Frame rails? This is a unibody, right? Anyway, Ace Hardware sells hole saws for a few bucks.

Hey they still have rails, you just can't separate them from everything else.

ShadowSix
ShadowSix HalfDork
5/30/12 7:25 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote:
ShadowSix wrote: Frame rails? This is a unibody, right? Anyway, Ace Hardware sells hole saws for a few bucks.

Hey they still have rails, you just can't separate them from everything else.

Yeah, I thought you were talking about the subframe (visible in the photo above, and probably not in the way). I bet the plugs are good for 100k miles, but if you have to unbolt the motor from the tranny to get them out that would suck.

Hole saws

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