NOHOME HalfDork
May 30, 2012 12:38 p.m.

I can't get my car delivered, and this guy is already taking gone APART!

So, for those who don't really care about its lack of whatever the twins may not have, here is a neat thread on what is under the skin.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6914

I like this picture because it hows me how simple it should be to get rid of the stupid noise maker that feeds into th cabin.

EdenPrime Reader
May 30, 2012 12:48 p.m.

Yup, i jizzed.

Keith MegaDork
May 30, 2012 12:54 p.m.

Interesting!

And the first product is...a pulley that deletes the harmonic damper. Sheesh. Put one of those on your turbo Miata and you'll never get to your next oil change before the pump shatters.

They're all excited over a bump on a grommet. Like the bump on the wire grommets from a 1990 Miata I suspect they're part of how those grommets are installed.

Too bad about the Showa shocks. Although good for the aftermarket. If the Showas on stock Miatas are any indication, Toyobaru owners will be shopping for shocks in 30,000 miles.

GameboyRMH UberDork
May 30, 2012 1:11 p.m.

So the radiator stack is actually like a pac-man mouth when viewed from the side, with the radiator up top and AC condenser below? Pretty serious setup for a production car.

It also looks like their direct-drive electric PS system acts on the column shaft rather than the rack - every time this has been tried until now the feel has been horrible. Great work if they got it to work properly, that setup is great for packaging.

Looks like maintenance isn't too bad, I wonder how hard it is to change the spark plugs.

Luke UberDork
May 30, 2012 1:15 p.m.

What I'm taking away from this is...imagine working on a brand new car , without years upon years of caked-on grime and dirt and oil and seized bolts.

oldeskewltoy HalfDork
May 30, 2012 1:32 p.m.
Keith wrote: Too bad about the Showa shocks. Although good for the aftermarket. If the Showas on stock Miatas are any indication, Toyobaru owners will be shopping for shocks in 30,000 miles.

I'm just guessing here... but a proportion of the new owners will have ripped all that stuff out within the 1st 6 months....

ProDarwin SuperDork
May 30, 2012 1:49 p.m.

Huh, looks like ST(?) tire clearance is going to be more limited than I thought.

Keith MegaDork
May 30, 2012 1:59 p.m.

I've taken apart a car with 80 miles on it. It's awesome

Raze SuperDork
May 30, 2012 2:25 p.m.

So the issue that keeps coming up are spark plugs, the layout looks similar to the 2.5RS except that the heads line up with the frame rail, Aussie Toyota is saying the engine has to be raised 100 mm (4 inches) to get to the plugs...

mad_machine MegaDork
May 30, 2012 2:25 p.m.

I bet taking a new car apart is LOTS of fun Doubt I will ever get to do it though

NOHOME HalfDork
May 30, 2012 2:31 p.m.
Raze wrote: So the issue that keeps coming up are spark plugs, the layout looks similar to the 2.5RS except that the heads line up with the frame rail, Aussie Toyota is saying the engine has to be raised 100 mm (4 inches) to get to the plugs...

Once the LSx is in there, plug changes should be a breeze

Lots of room side-to-side,

Raze SuperDork
May 30, 2012 2:33 p.m.

In reply to NOHOME:

carguy123 PowerDork
May 30, 2012 2:34 p.m.

IIRC that's the same radiator layout that the 3rd gen RX7 used.

Keith MegaDork
May 30, 2012 2:35 p.m.

The NC Miata has a steeply raked radiator. Not a V though.

I wouldn't be worried about width with an LSx install. I'd be worried about height.

dculberson Dork
May 30, 2012 2:40 p.m.
Raze wrote: So the issue that keeps coming up are spark plugs, the layout looks similar to the 2.5RS except that the heads line up with the frame rail, Aussie Toyota is saying the engine has to be raised 100 mm (4 inches) to get to the plugs...

I wonder if you can get to them through the wheel wells, like on an Astro van?

GameboyRMH UberDork
May 30, 2012 2:45 p.m.
dculberson wrote: I wonder if you can get to them through the wheel wells, like on an Astro van?

That's what I was thinking, but I'd say there's a good chance the plug holes happen to line up with the frame rails...

carguy123 PowerDork
May 30, 2012 3:39 p.m.
Keith wrote: Interesting! And the first product is...a pulley that deletes the harmonic damper. Sheesh. Put one of those on your turbo Miata and you'll never get to your next oil change before the pump shatters.

Totally different design of engine with much less harmonic imbalance to begin with.

Keith MegaDork
May 30, 2012 3:57 p.m.
carguy123 wrote:
Keith wrote: Interesting! And the first product is...a pulley that deletes the harmonic damper. Sheesh. Put one of those on your turbo Miata and you'll never get to your next oil change before the pump shatters.

Totally different design of engine with much less harmonic imbalance to begin with.

Sure, and I've seen it "proven" that you don't need one on a Miata either Well, except for the whole 500-mile-oil-pump-destruction thing. We've seen power gains on Miatas from improving the damper, not from taking them off.

A flat four isn't a totally different design of engine. It's still got the pistons applying power at different points and at different times to the crankshaft. It's still got the same number of main bearings as a straight four. Yes, it's got nice inherent balance against shaking, but that's not what the damper is for.

If I'm going to take rotating mass off a crankshaft, it's going to be off the flywheel - as that's exactly what the flywheel is for. I'm not going to do it by taking off an damper. The factory engineers put those on for a reason, and it's usually a good one.

Twin_Cam UltraDork
May 30, 2012 4:12 p.m.

Look how shiny

Seems like that car has some pretty cool touches. I may have to fake wanting a new car and go test drive one.

DustoffDave Reader
May 30, 2012 4:34 p.m.

Do want! I didn't know that there were cars without grime coated on them...

ShadowSix HalfDork
May 30, 2012 6:39 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote:
dculberson wrote: I wonder if you can get to them through the wheel wells, like on an Astro van?

That's what I was thinking, but I'd say there's a good chance the plug holes happen to line up with the frame rails...

Frame rails? This is a unibody, right?

Anyway, Ace Hardware sells hole saws for a few bucks.

GameboyRMH UberDork
May 30, 2012 7:08 p.m.
ShadowSix wrote: Frame rails? This is a unibody, right? Anyway, Ace Hardware sells hole saws for a few bucks.

Hey they still have rails, you just can't separate them from everything else.

ShadowSix HalfDork
May 30, 2012 7:25 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote:
ShadowSix wrote: Frame rails? This is a unibody, right? Anyway, Ace Hardware sells hole saws for a few bucks.

Hey they still have rails, you just can't separate them from everything else.

Yeah, I thought you were talking about the subframe (visible in the photo above, and probably not in the way). I bet the plugs are good for 100k miles, but if you have to unbolt the motor from the tranny to get them out that would suck.

Hole saws

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