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Woody
Woody SuperDork
10/13/09 2:16 p.m.
maroon92 wrote: plus the 914-4's were badged like this

Not sure if it matters, but they were only badged like that in Europe.

jwc38
jwc38 New Reader
10/13/09 2:22 p.m.

so 914 -> VW -> VR6 -> Mercedes V280 van-> Kevin Bacon!!! I win?

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
10/13/09 7:06 p.m.

What Street Mod Car? is my new favorite game.

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
10/14/09 11:36 a.m.

someone needs to give me more AWESOME ideas...I think I need to build something that will clean up in SM.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt Dork
10/14/09 12:28 p.m.
maroon92 wrote: 1. I think joint ventures only work if the same car was sold with multiple engines, not the same engine was sold in multiple cars.

But the Hyundai was available with multiple engines. It can come with the GEMA (joint Hyundai / Chrysler / Mitsubishi) engine or a Hyundai V6. Since the engine is a joint venture, shouldn't that allow engines from other partners in the venture in? And now that Dodge has gone to a non-production-based engine in the Sprint Cup, it's likely that the previous generation engine will be available for fairly cheap (for what you're getting, at least).

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
10/14/09 12:39 p.m.
16vCorey wrote:
mistanfo wrote: SCCA 2009 Solo Rules 116.1.D.1. Badges that exist as marketing aliases for the manufacturer will be recognized as equivalents. Swaps involving makes related only at a corporate level are not recognized as equivalents. Models produced as a joint venture between manufacturers may utilize any engine from any partner in the joint venture, provided that an engine from the desired manufacturer was a factory option in that particular model (e.g. Eagle Talon available originally with either a Mitsubishi or Chrysler engine, may use any motor from Chrysler or Mitsubishi). Now, I cannot remember,but wasn't the 914 sold as a VW at first? Or, at least powered by a Type 3 engine? Seems that it would be eligible before the merger happened.

Close, it had the VW type 4 engine. So the answer is yes, you can use any VW or Porsche engine in a 914 and be street mod legal. Although I think there are some displacement rules for SM(it's been a long time since I looked), I always thought a 4.5l twin turbo V8 from a Cayenne in a 914 would be a ridiculously awesome SM car. Not to mention scary as hell.

My testes just shrunk and retreated thinking about that...

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
10/14/09 12:44 p.m.
maroon92 wrote: someone needs to give me more AWESOME ideas...I think I need to build something that will clean up in SM.

I doubt this would clean up, but it would CERTAINLY be different. And it IS awesome.

A VW Quantum Synchro wagon with your choice of the 5-cylinder 20v turbo Audi motor or the 2.7TT. Won't get slammed hard on the lbs/litre rule, and HP maximum is pretty much whatever you want. You want 900+awhp? Sure.

Plus. It's a damn wagon. Add box flares for division by zero.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
10/14/09 12:46 p.m.

Wait! Time out! I have the makings of a STUPID SM car in my signature!

My Escort is REALLY a Protege... Which is a Mazda. It's powered by mazda on a Mazda chassis.

Sooo... i could dump the motor from the MX6 into it, and use the transfer case and rear diff from an AWD protege to make it AWD, right?

Buzz Killington
Buzz Killington Reader
10/14/09 12:51 p.m.

remember that any swap still has to be done w/in the other SM rules; this is one reason there are no SM-legal rotary miatas.

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
10/14/09 9:35 p.m.
buzz killington said: remember that any swap still has to be done w/in the other SM rules; this is one reason there are no SM-legal rotary miatas.

You are killing my buzz...explain why? The Miata is SM2 legal, as are rotaries up to 1.5 liter.

jwc38
jwc38 New Reader
10/15/09 7:31 a.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote: Add box flares for division by zero.

^this

tpwalsh
tpwalsh Reader
4/19/12 5:44 a.m.

Looks like SM just jumped the sha.. Canoe

JoeyM
JoeyM SuperDork
4/19/12 6:10 a.m.

Thanks. The canoe is dead.

Knurled
Knurled Dork
4/19/12 6:16 a.m.
mw wrote: Doesn't the Mazda Navajo come with a 5.0?

No, it never did.

(yes, I checked. Four times.)

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson Dork
4/19/12 6:43 a.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote:
maroon92 wrote: someone needs to give me more AWESOME ideas...I think I need to build something that will clean up in SM.

I doubt this would clean up, but it would CERTAINLY be different. And it IS awesome.

A VW Quantum Synchro wagon with your choice of the 5-cylinder 20v turbo Audi motor or the 2.7TT. Won't get slammed hard on the lbs/litre rule, and HP maximum is pretty much whatever you want. You want 900+awhp? Sure.

Plus. It's a damn wagon. Add box flares for division by zero.

Division by zero has already occured.

Fox rally car, much in the way of box flare plus a twin turbo 99 Passat V6 engine. Syncro AWD. Forget Bob Costas cone dodging, this was a rallt car with depleted uranium nads built in. Built and owned by Sakis Hadjiminas.

Specs Engine:

2.8 Liter twin turbocharged and intercooled 90` V6 based on the '99 Passat powerplant
Fully programmable engine management system
Compression ratio lowered to 7.8:1
Fabricated intake and exhaust manifolds
IHI turbochargers with internal wastegates
Group A dump valve
300-400 HP depending on event.
VW Quantum Syncro 4 wheel drive system
locked center diff
Quaife limited slip front and rear differentials

Suspension:
Modified Audi 5 bolt uprights with coilovers and 2.5" id springs In house fabricated lower control arms with aluminum bushings
Rose jointed adjustable group A camber plates
Bilstein rally dampers.

Brakes:
11" ventilated cross drilled discs with Brembo 4 piston aluminum calipers
Tilton dual master cylinders, adjustable bias.

Rims/tires: 15x7 Fuchs w/ Michelin L5/ M80 competition tyres (Gravel surfaces)
15x6 VW/ Audi w/ Michelin C5 competition tyres (Snow and ice)

Audio:
Terraphone driver/ co-driver intercom system
Two turbochargers
Two dump valves
And a lot of gravel hitting the undercarriage

Interior:
Competition welded roll cage attached to all suspension pick up points, A, B pillars
Lightened dash board
OMP Turini seats
TRW/ Sabelt 5 point harnesses
Center tunnel and rear floor sections modified to allow 4wd system
Gauges, Terratrip rally odometer/ timer and all the usual rally goodies.

Exterior:
Body panels widened to allow larger track
Fenders, rear quarters and hood fabricated of fiberglass
Lexan side and rear windows
Previously yellow and white, currently silver, yellow and blue

Future plans:
Competition dog type transmission

Awards won:
1st place overall, 1998 Apple Hill Rally cross
Will focus on 1999 Canadian Performance rally championship

Other:
Too much to list
The car is not geared for 300km/h, but will easily beat a V12 Ferrari to 200 km/h

Etc.
We are currently building three other rally cars. The first is an evolution version of the above Fox which will use a normally aspirated 30 valve V6 and 4wd, it will be driven by Jose M. Vicente with co-driver Eduardo Besada.The second is a Group 5 VW Gti that will use a turbocharged 2.0L 8v engine. The third is a Group 2 VW Gti 16 valve. The latter two will be used mainly for the SCCA North East Club rally championship.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson Dork
4/19/12 6:52 a.m.

One more picture of pure awesome in existance

RossD
RossD UltraDork
4/19/12 7:13 a.m.

I realize that this is a zombie thead back from the dead, but the Lincoln Mark VII came with a BMW engine from the factory and is Fox Body...

Ian F
Ian F UberDork
4/19/12 7:27 a.m.

I read some of these suggested swaps and wonder if some of you guys have ever actually read the Street Mod rules... Specifically 16.1.P.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson Dork
4/19/12 7:28 a.m.
RossD wrote: I realize that this is a zombie thead back from the dead, but the Lincoln Mark VII came with a BMW engine from the factory and is Fox Body...

Well bugger me, that diesel version, I always forget about that. That has to be the unicorn amongst unicorns. I’ve never seen one.

16vCorey
16vCorey UberDork
4/19/12 10:13 a.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote:
RossD wrote: I realize that this is a zombie thead back from the dead, but the Lincoln Mark VII came with a BMW engine from the factory and is Fox Body...

Well bugger me, that diesel version, I always forget about that. That has to be the unicorn amongst unicorns. I’ve never seen one.

I've seen a grand total of one.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt SuperDork
4/19/12 10:38 a.m.
RossD wrote: I realize that this is a zombie thead back from the dead, but the Lincoln Mark VII came with a BMW engine from the factory and is Fox Body...

I've seen one in a junkyard. I was really puzzled for a while.

But I'm not sure I could think of a BMW motor that would top a Coyote V8 for SM potential.

turboswede
turboswede PowerDork
4/19/12 10:50 a.m.
MadScientistMatt wrote:
RossD wrote: I realize that this is a zombie thead back from the dead, but the Lincoln Mark VII came with a BMW engine from the factory and is Fox Body...

I've seen one in a junkyard. I was really puzzled for a while.

But I'm not sure I could think of a BMW motor that would top a Coyote V8 for SM potential.

cough

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ver3Z-KJSo

I would agree though, especially in something as big and heavy as a Mark VII.

Though this has interesting potential:

RossD
RossD UltraDork
4/19/12 11:11 a.m.

This is a little more off the wall but a Ranger was available with a Mitsubishi Diesel too.

mariapazsanta
mariapazsanta
4/23/12 10:14 p.m.

I wouldn't compare Porsche and Volkswagen when it comes to performance. Cars still have their own accuracy and i think it still depends on their parts how will they perform. Porsche Parts and Volkswagen parts are really good,

DaewooOfDeath
DaewooOfDeath Dork
4/24/12 1:08 a.m.
skeeler wrote:
So the answer is yes, you can use any VW or Porsche engine in a 914 and be street mod legal. Although I think there are some displacement rules for SM(it's been a long time since I looked), I always thought a 4.5l twin turbo V8 from a Cayenne in a 914 would be a ridiculously awesome SM car. Not to mention scary as hell.
So, I say drop a Veyron engine into the 914 and call it a day. Maybe "onto" would be a better word than "into".

I read somewhere that the Veyron engine, all by it's lonesome, weighs more than 1,000 lbs.

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