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  • July 12, 2011 5:26 p.m. paul Reader

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWyUD6UXfog

    Seems like a bit of a gimmick to me, I'd like to see what you guys think...

    Wouldn't properly torqued subframe bolts keep the subframes from moving in the first place?

    Wouldn't the soft Al the spoon collars are made of deform over time, reintroducing movement back between the subframes?

    Wouldn't a bit of wielding produce the same or better long-term results for less $$?

  • July 13, 2011 5:15 p.m. paul Reader

    Anyone?...

  • Derick Freese

    July 13, 2011 5:21 p.m. Derick Freese Dork

    I'm not sure about this myself...

  • mad_machine

    July 13, 2011 5:44 p.m. mad_machine SuperDork

    I can see where they are coming from.. but yet, I do not see it being a BIG difference in handling. Once the subframe is bolted it, it should not be going anywhere

  • July 13, 2011 8:02 p.m. egnorant Dork

    If initial alignment were a problem, this could be addressed with locator pins (such as on my Escort) or dowel pin collars such as those on a lot of transmission faces.

    I can see a small amount of suspension geometry variance available from initial misalignment, but won't nearly every bolt hole on every suspension component have a bit of slop simply due to the bolt needing to be smaller than the hole?

    Even then you have bushings that deflect that may go a bit more off plan!

    If they are moving around after installation, then you have a loose joint and need to tighten the bolts.

    If you are at the point where you are consumed with this particular "problem", you should be way beyond adding a quick fix to a junction that can be permanently fixed with simple welding.

    Just my way of looking at it!

    Bruce

  • coll9947

    July 13, 2011 8:11 p.m. coll9947 Reader

    i just think that an engineer would argue that churning out cars that are more accurately aligned in the assembly process would mean less time spent doing a real alignment before the car hits the showroom floor.

    and would dealerships put up with a constant stream of badly aligned cars whose possible subframe connection issues manifest themselves as an ill-handling, poorly riding, tire-eating, unalignable car?

    couldn't a few hours on a four post rig prove the validity of this product?

 
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