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Sept. 28, 2011 6:46 a.m. PHeller Dork

My local club, which I just found, turns out to be a little bit of a disappointment.

Lots of events, but all of them on Sunday morning.

Now I'm no Bible-Thumper, but I like to attend at least some sort of service on Sunday morning, and unfortunately I dont believe in the all-mighty cone.

However, I think this is more than just me....there may be lots of interested folks out there who religiously attend church on Sunday morning who aren't participating events they might normally if on a Saturday.

How do I approach the issue as a non-member?
Sept. 28, 2011 7:19 a.m. Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork

Didn't we just do this last week?

How do I approach the issue as a non-member?

Stay that way and find another club... or miss church once every couple months. People work on Saturday. It might be hard to give up a little jebus every so often... but it really isn't an option for many to give up the almighty dollar.
Sept. 28, 2011 7:26 a.m. steverife New Reader

A couple of issues here...

1) More people tend to work on Saturdays, often people who are key contributors.

2) It is easier to find lots on Sundays as a lot of businesses are closed.

Around here, some churches have services on Saturday nights.
Sept. 28, 2011 7:30 a.m. PHeller Dork

What about starting racing at noon, vs 10am? If you cut the entries off, do the math of how long each run should take, you should be able to get everybody out by 5pm.
Sept. 28, 2011 7:39 a.m. red5_02 Reader

PHeller wrote:

What about starting racing at noon, vs 10am? If you cut the entries off, do the math of how long each run should take, you should be able to get everybody out by 5pm.

Not sure where you live but in the summer time the earlier I can get off the asphalt the better. I'm not exactly sure why this is being brought up. Missing church every once in a while isn't going to kill you. Do you have some sort of responsibility on Sunday morning? Personally I found a church that met on Saturday night after I got out of work so that I could have Sundays all to myself. I understand the need for corporate worship (theology student here) however I can assure you with utmost confidence the Bible never once mentions that autocrossing will send you to hell.
Sept. 28, 2011 7:42 a.m. Woody SuperDork

I always figure that autocrosses were held on Sunday morning so that guys had all day Saturday to get the car ready.

And, I'm another one who can't tolerate a full day in the sun.
Sept. 28, 2011 7:43 a.m. 93EXCivic SuperDork

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/so-really-why-are-autocrosses-on-sunday...
Sept. 28, 2011 8:06 a.m. alfadriver SuperDork

PHeller wrote:

What about starting racing at noon, vs 10am? If you cut the entries off, do the math of how long each run should take, you should be able to get everybody out by 5pm.

Again, I would first try to find a club that suits your needs to register late. Our club recent moved our cut off time from 1pm to noon, but exceptions can be made if we know well in advance. Before 1pm, it was 2pm.

The local rule for this is 11am, I think- since other clubs didn't like to keep registration open for that long (the #1 need is to find volunteers willing to actually register people).

But there might be options that are open to your needs. And as a member, you might be asked to sacrifice the odd Sunday 3-4 times a year.

Even with a 2pm cut off, we are normally done with runs by 3pm. The rest of the day depends on a lot of variables, so I may not get off the lot by 5pm, when all stuff is picked up and ready to go back to it's home.

Basically, it all depends, and you may be able to find what you are looking for.
Sept. 28, 2011 8:10 a.m. Bobzilla SuperDork

ALFA, there is no way we could get 100 cars through in an hour of runs. I have no idea how you do it.
Sept. 28, 2011 8:13 a.m. T.J. SuperDork

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

Didn't we just do this last week?

93EXCivic wrote:

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/so-really-why-are-autocrosses-on-sunday...
Sept. 28, 2011 8:17 a.m. PHeller Dork

I shall swich to the other thread, and this one may be deleted.
Sept. 28, 2011 8:21 a.m. alfadriver SuperDork

Bobzilla wrote:

ALFA, there is no way we could get 100 cars through in an hour of runs. I have no idea how you do it.

You assume that we don't start until the last registrant is done.

We try to start runs by 11am. +- 15 min.

And 100cars, 5 runs apiece, being conservative- that's about 4 hours. So we are done at 3pm. (that's a pretty easy 28 seconds per run- we try to be at 20, which would average out at ~25 with typical interruptions).
Sept. 28, 2011 9:06 a.m. iceracer SuperDork

The church across the street starts with Saturday evening and then has sevices in shifts on Sunday.
Sept. 28, 2011 10:46 a.m. T.J. SuperDork

In reply to PHeller:

That would not be in the spirit of the GRM board. Sometimes there are 3 separate threads on the same topic going at once. It is a survival of the fittest type thing. The other thread was so last week, this one will have some of the same opinions expressed by the same people, but there will be people who post in this one who missed last week's one and they might have something useful to add. I wasn't trying to be an shiny happy person, just some good natured ribbing....at least my response didn't include a snarky comment about ken Block.
Sept. 28, 2011 11:44 a.m. mtownneon New Reader

alfadriver wrote:

Bobzilla wrote:

ALFA, there is no way we could get 100 cars through in an hour of runs. I have no idea how you do it.

You assume that we don't start until the last registrant is done.

We try to start runs by 11am. +- 15 min.

And 100cars, 5 runs apiece, being conservative- that's about 4 hours. So we are done at 3pm. (that's a pretty easy 28 seconds per run- we try to be at 20, which would average out at ~25 with typical interruptions).

We'd lose half our competitors if we ran courses that were that short! Our courses average 45 sec long with many 50-60 sec long, we average just short of 100 competitors per event, we normally have 5 runs, and we can get the job done in 5 hours on average. Our record is 231 runs in 2.5 hours @ an average of 50 sec a run when we hosted the second stop for the One Lap of America this year but that was non-stop with dedicated corner workers and staff.

As for the tradition of holding events on Sundays, as others have said it's about lot and volunteer availability. Saturday events would have to start much later in the day and possibly run into the evening. That's fine if you have access to a lot that's lit if you run past sundown.
Sept. 28, 2011 11:49 a.m. alfadriver SuperDork

mtownneon wrote:

We'd lose half our competitors if we ran courses that were that short! Our courses average 45 sec long with many 50-60 sec long, we average just short of 100 competitors per event, we normally have 5 runs, and we can get the job done in 5 hours on average. Our record is 231 runs in 2.5 hours @ an average of 50 sec a run when we hosted the second stop for the One Lap of America this year but that was non-stop with dedicated corner workers and staff.

Ours are 40-55 seconds, just like yours. We just start them every 20 seconds or so.

(note- I was on vacation last week, so don't know about the other thread)
Sept. 28, 2011 11:51 a.m. z31maniac SuperDork

^Even the 50sec courses won't get me out around here. I've never Auto-X'd and have no interest in it either.

$50 for 8 runs, and have to work half the day and stand in a parking lot all day.

$95 for 5-6 15 minute sessions at Hallett. $120 for 7-8 on HST days only.

But we are spoiled with cheap track time in OK.
Sept. 28, 2011 12:04 p.m. alfadriver SuperDork

In reply to z31maniac:

hm. Well, we charge $15 for members, $20 for members of local club, and $25 for others, don't require to work, but if you do, you get free fun runs. So you get 8 runs for $20 and a 2 hour work shift. If you time it right, you could do it in 3hours. Although, show up 5 min before registration closes, tech, and wait in line- should be about an hour total, from on to off the lot.

Still isn't track day time, for sure.

But the point more is that there may be other options.
Sept. 28, 2011 12:10 p.m. DILYSI Dave SuperDork

z31maniac wrote:

^Even the 50sec courses won't get me out around here. I've never Auto-X'd and have no interest in it either.

$50 for 8 runs, and have to work half the day and stand in a parking lot all day.

$95 for 5-6 15 minute sessions at Hallett. $120 for 7-8 on HST days only.

But we are spoiled with cheap track time in OK.

Competition is the difference. If you're doing it to drive fast, track days make more sense. If you're doing it to compete, track days make zero sense.