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BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim UltimaDork
8/27/15 11:26 a.m.
octavious wrote: Would you guys shut up already? Its bad enough the voices in my head are already telling me to get a 996 I don't need your help.

We are the voices in your head.

yupididit
yupididit HalfDork
8/27/15 11:28 a.m.
BoxheadTim wrote: In reply to yupididit: What sort of consensus are you looking for?

There's a 99' black/black Carrera for a great price that has 148k on it. It seems like they're cheaper than all the other years. I was wondering if there was a particular reason why or did they have even more issues than the rest of the 996's? Also, something about them makes them look different to me. I cant figure it out but they seem slightly different looking.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim UltimaDork
8/27/15 11:32 a.m.
Joe Gearin wrote: if my memory serves me, it wasn't the suspension letting the car down, it was the entire driving experience. The car felt isolated. Like I said, it was capable, but it wasn't very exciting. It's almost as if the car was too refined---- it never cracked a smile. Perhaps I was expecting too much. I like my sporting machines a little raw, a little loud, and a little rorty. The 996 was quiet, comfortable, and smooth. It was nice, but it didn't call to me from the garage. It was a servant, not a partner if that makes any sense.

The first 996 I drove (996 C4S aka turbo look) left me with exactly the same impression, although the way I described it was that the car just felt too polite.

Then I drove a C2 that had been used as a demo car by one of the Porsche parts specialists in Reno. Very basic changes - coilovers, intake, throttle body and exhaust. Felt like an entirely different car, much less polite and much more in the category of "partner in crime".

I still have a hankering to build a 996 hot rod from a basic C2, but first I have to financially digest the current 996 and the new Miata.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim UltimaDork
8/27/15 11:34 a.m.
yupididit wrote:
BoxheadTim wrote: In reply to yupididit: What sort of consensus are you looking for?

There's a 99' black/black Carrera for a great price that has 148k on it. It seems like they're cheaper than all the other years. I was wondering if there was a particular reason why or did they have even more issues than the rest of the 996's? Also, something about them makes them look different to me. I cant figure it out but they seem slightly different looking.

The early ones are slightly different (IIRC there are a couple of 99-only parts). They're also the lightest 996 C2 which is helpful if you're wanting to build them into a track car or similar.

They have the double row IMS bearing which has the reputation of being somewhat more durable although I'd still change it at clutch change time.

148k shouldn't be much of an issue if it has been looked after properly. If it hasn't, it doesn't matter if has 48k or 248k on it.

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
8/27/15 12:26 p.m.
BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim UltimaDork
8/27/15 12:33 p.m.

Depends on what you want it for. The C4 is a great year round daily driver (at least if you don't live somewhere where the roads get tons of salt), but for a more sporting and sharper driving experience, I'd go C2.

yupididit
yupididit HalfDork
8/27/15 12:33 p.m.
BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim UltimaDork
8/27/15 12:39 p.m.

That looks like a good deal to me if it's in good shape otherwise. The 2001 has a few 2001-only parts on it like the instrument cluster so you want to make sure those are in good shape.

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
8/27/15 1:05 p.m.
yupididit wrote: 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera - $13800 Engine rebuilt

Engine rebuilt yet the IMS was recently changed...things that make me go hmmmmmmmm

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/27/15 5:34 p.m.
Joe Gearin wrote:
G. P. Snorklewacker wrote: In reply to Joe Gearin: The plain jane 996 needs a suspension upgrade like most other street cars do for inspired track type handling. It just happens to be pretty soft compared to past and future 911s. I wouldn't ding it too badly for that - you don't see a lot of E36/E46 M3s, or C5 Z-06s running stock spring/damper/swaybar combos either.

if my memory serves me, it wasn't the suspension letting the car down, it was the entire driving experience. The car felt isolated. Like I said, it was capable, but it wasn't very exciting. It's almost as if the car was too refined---- it never cracked a smile. Perhaps I was expecting too much. I like my sporting machines a little raw, a little loud, and a little rorty. The 996 was quiet, comfortable, and smooth. It was nice, but it didn't call to me from the garage. It was a servant, not a partner if that makes any sense.

If they turn you on, by all means go for it. They just aren't for me.

and Flightservice--- that's the best description of a C5 Z06 that I've ever heard!

So BRZ + Jackson Racing supercharger with the high boost pulley?

Add injectors, fuel pump, custom tune, clutch, E85 = 370-390whp

jsquared
jsquared Reader
8/27/15 6:50 p.m.

The 996 resale price is that low so you'll have money left over to pay for the maintenance/parts

Apis Mellifera
Apis Mellifera Reader
8/27/15 6:54 p.m.

I bought a 1999 996 C4 last Saturday. It is... awesome.

JAhmed
JAhmed Reader
8/27/15 7:38 p.m.

mmmm...996 GT3...that is all.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
8/27/15 7:43 p.m.

As mentioned above, the 996 C2 is in the "hot rod Porsche" price range. They're interesting.......

bmw88rider
bmw88rider Dork
8/27/15 9:41 p.m.

Damn you all. Because of this I'm high bidder on a 40th Anniversary 996.

Mitchell
Mitchell UltraDork
8/27/15 10:03 p.m.
Tom_Spangler wrote: Southern California (go figure) seems to have the highest concentration of 996s (and Boxsters, for that matter). Fly and drive!

From Central LA to the coast, Porsches are as common as Pony cars are everywhere else in the country.

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler SuperDork
8/27/15 10:25 p.m.
Mitchell wrote:
Tom_Spangler wrote: Southern California (go figure) seems to have the highest concentration of 996s (and Boxsters, for that matter). Fly and drive!

From Central LA to the coast, Porsches are as common as Pony cars are everywhere else in the country.

I'll be there next week, and I'll be watching.

yupididit
yupididit HalfDork
8/27/15 11:03 p.m.
Tom_Spangler wrote:
Mitchell wrote:
Tom_Spangler wrote: Southern California (go figure) seems to have the highest concentration of 996s (and Boxsters, for that matter). Fly and drive!

From Central LA to the coast, Porsches are as common as Pony cars are everywhere else in the country.

I'll be there next week, and I'll be watching.

85% cab

Mitchell
Mitchell UltraDork
8/27/15 11:56 p.m.

When I lived out that way, I would drive through the Santa Monica mountains, then loop back from the coast and park in Beverly Hills for a pleasant walk. The car spotting is top notch; I checked off just about every car off of my list. Free entertainment! Man, I miss living in LA.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/28/15 8:40 a.m.
bmw88rider wrote: Damn you all. Because of this I'm high bidder on a 40th Anniversary 996.

Nice.

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
8/28/15 10:59 a.m.
bmw88rider wrote: Damn you all. Because of this I'm high bidder on a 40th Anniversary 996.

Happy to depreciate your bank account

Jamey_from_Legal
Jamey_from_Legal Reader
8/28/15 1:19 p.m.

Just buy one from a PCA member that has been doing club HPDEs in it for a few years now. He will have already fixed up the suspension for you.

Make sure he throws in the old CoolShirt and a flame suit he used in Intermediate HPDE two years ago. He has nicer $x,xxx ones now, so he doesn't need them any more.

I'm not a hater, really, and I love PCA drivers. Just sayin' once you put on the Porsche, things happen . . . .

Jaynen
Jaynen Dork
8/28/15 8:59 p.m.

Considering I was going to ask the question if building for performance/track rat/autocross which 996 is the one to build off I think Jamey's comment is probably in reality the best route.

Find the dude selling his already prepped track car for say 15-20 vs the cheapest c2 you can find at 13k

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
8/29/15 4:19 p.m.
bmw88rider wrote: Damn you all. Because of this I'm high bidder on a 40th Anniversary 996.

well???? Inquisitive mind a want to know

Jcamper
Jcamper Reader
8/31/15 11:04 p.m.

I have had my '02 996 targa for 4 months or so now. Still in absolute love with it. It fit the wife and two kids for a trip to the beach for the weekend. After enjoying it every day I think the sport exhaust makes a big difference in visceral feel. Transitions from a sedate note to a willing growl, to a glorious howl when you plant the throttle and let it rev out. Oh so good! Then on the throttle lift corner turn-in it has this fantastic crackle/pop. It fills the surrounding hills and bounces back in slightly tweaked reverb. Love it! Watch the options when buying 911s, big spread in what you are getting. Mine is full leather, comfort power/memory/heated seats, carbon fiber accents, pse, and the exact color combo I wanted. Jcamper

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