LuxInterior HalfDork
May 25, 2017 10:25 a.m.

I want a '17 Toyota 86. I don't get out much, so I read all the online reviews of the car. All as in I have no life (all the links on 18 or so pages of google results) Yes, I know I'm a sad individual and I need help!

Here's my fav: Toyota 86: Future barn find

GameboyRMH MegaDork
May 25, 2017 10:53 a.m.

Many years from now when these are cheap, I might like to buy an earlier model (for the looks) and put a Subaru FA20F in it. That's the engine this car should've had, not too different from what it came with, just a decent bump in power and no dead spot.

NOHOME PowerDork
May 25, 2017 12:14 p.m.

Been driving mine for 5 years almost and I have to say that if you appreciate what light weight and a good chassis can do for driving entertainment, then there is this and the Miata to choose from in the price range.

Blaise Reader
May 25, 2017 12:17 p.m.
NOHOME wrote: Been driving mine for 5 years almost and I have to say that if you appreciate what light weight and a good chassis can do for driving entertainment, then there is this and the Miata to choose from in the price range.

And if you're willing to push the price a bit, how's it compare?

I've driven the BRZ/FRS and of course miatas a ton. But I wonder how a used Porsche/m3/c6 compares for strictly street fun. Why not throw an RX8 in there too? I'd love to try them all back to back but... yeah. Not easy.

Appleseed MegaDork
May 25, 2017 12:33 p.m.

I bought mine new because I know what type of buyer these things attract. Trying to find an unmolested example in 10-15 years won't be easy. Or cheap.

Ask yourself: when is the last time I saw an unmodified 2004 STi for sale?

LuxInterior HalfDork
May 25, 2017 12:41 p.m.

I'm looking for affordable to buy/own for the long term as a reliable daily with wonderful chassis dynamics. I want a car I can beat the snot out of on the street and still keep my license. I suspect that the used Porsche/ M3 would be awesome but more expensive as the years go by. ND Miata is my first choice. But as a 12 month daily in Colorado, I want to be in something a little more substantial when the inevitable idiot comes sliding across the ice at me in their 4X4 Given those params, the 86 seems like the choice

Blaise Reader
May 25, 2017 12:42 p.m.
Appleseed wrote: Ask yourself: when is the last time I saw an unmodified 2004 STi for sale?

My friend just traded hers in at a Carmax of all places. Really. Bought it new, never modded.

fanfoy Dork
May 25, 2017 12:57 p.m.
Appleseed wrote: Ask yourself: when is the last time I saw an unmodified 2004 STi for sale?

2005

racerdave600 SuperDork
May 25, 2017 1:20 p.m.
Appleseed wrote: I bought mine new because I know what type of buyer these things attract. Trying to find an unmolested example in 10-15 years won't be easy. Or cheap. Ask yourself: when is the last time I saw an unmodified 2004 STi for sale?

Or MR2 Turbos. Trying to find a nice stock example is mostly impossible. Or just a nice one period.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
May 25, 2017 1:21 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: Many years from now when these are cheap, I might like to buy an earlier model (for the looks) and put a Subaru FA20F in it. That's the engine this car should've had, not too different from what it came with, just a decent bump in power and no dead spot.

Except it literally doesn't fit and puts the turbo below the subframe.

Change rods and valve retainers (if an early model), slap on Full Race turbo kit. Add fuel pump and injectors, enjoy 400+whp until the transmission grenades itself.

LuxInterior HalfDork
May 25, 2017 1:31 p.m.

If you need a hairy-chested monster, there's always this. But I'd suspect it creates as many problems as it solves

Blaise Reader
May 25, 2017 2:00 p.m.

Luxinterior, have you compiled a list of differences/changes on the 86? I want one as well but the price seems pretty consistent between a 13-14-15-16.

JAhmed Reader
May 25, 2017 2:01 p.m.

LS86 sounds like a handful. In more ways than one.

LuxInterior HalfDork
May 25, 2017 3:48 p.m.
Blaise wrote: Luxinterior, have you compiled a list of differences/changes on the 86? I want one as well...

Here's what's new for the 2017 Toyota 86:

TLDR; a bunch of small refinements that make the car either: (A) More refined, eager, and easy to live with, while not diminishing the fun-to-drive factor. OR (B) Changes too small to notice: it's still small, slow, noisy and way less practical than my CUV/Hellcat/Moped...

  • The suspension has been revised. It's still firm, but it's not overdamped the way the '13 FRS is.

  • Slightly stiffer front springs. Slightly softer rears.

  • The rear diff ratio goes from 4.1 to 4.3 making it more eager to run through the gears. 0-60 time is (just) a touch better.

  • The understeer has been tuned out of the suspension (yay!)

  • Some revised engine bits: a stronger cylinder block, polished intake and exhaust valves, lower friction camshaft, lower weight rocker arm pivots. Result: engine sounds better, less thrashy.

  • Manual trans cars get five hp, five torques and a smaller torque dip.

  • Traction & stability nannies are less intrusive -- more sidewaysness happens before the computer steps in. "Track Mode" button makes them less intrusive yet.

  • Minor chassis stiffening

  • ~16 pounds heavier than the '16 model

  • Minor interior revisions: new steering wheel, alcantara where there was fake carbon fiber. Rear seats still useless for sitting in, unless you're a housecat.

  • Exterior: new nose, less fake-looking fake fender vents, new badge, LED lights everywhere, restyled wheels. Same slidey Prius tires.

My impressions: The engine sounds happier, It's still no S2000, but happier enough that I like the car. The new diff makes the car feel quicker than it is. The lack of understeer in the '17 gives me the confidence to push even harder in the corners. I respect the '13-14 cars I've driven but I didn't want one. The '17 revisions push it into I want it!! territory for me.

Ricky Spanish Reader
May 25, 2017 4:15 p.m.

Fun to autocross. Fun on the track. DogE36 M3 around town.

parker Reader
May 25, 2017 7:52 p.m.

Understeer? My '15 FR-S is the least understeering car I've ever driven. It oversteers at the very slightest application of throttle while cornering. By far it's the most fun car I've ever owned.

Blaise Reader
May 26, 2017 8:10 a.m.

Luxinterior: I meant the changes from 13-16. A '17 isn't in my budget but it seems like the recalls are all pretty minor, aside from a possible throwout bearing issue.

LuxInterior HalfDork
May 26, 2017 1:46 p.m.

In reply to Blaise:

Ahh, I wondered if that's what you were asking.

There have been lots of small changes during the '13-'16 production run. But I don't know all of them. You might want to ask over at http://www.ft86club.com/forums/

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