ChrisTropea
ChrisTropea Associate Editor
2/5/21 7:56 a.m.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/jiEZnDcj764

The Civic Type R may be a favorite track-focused hot hatch, but there’s that new kid on the block eyeing that top spot: the Hyundai Veloster N.

Can the funky, three-door Hyundai—this one equipped with a slick dual-clutch transmission—outperform the Type R? We went to the Florida International Rally and Motorsport Park to found out. Presented by CRC Industries.

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Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
2/5/21 11:42 a.m.

In my observations, the Civic seems to be more serious when it comes to performance. Not that it's better at it, but that it uses a real limited-slip differential instead of the Veloster's pseudo-diff, and it has fewer "gimmicks" like the Veloster's crackle-and-pop exhaust and overboost functions.

At the end of the day, though, you can't really go wrong with either.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
2/5/21 11:50 a.m.

Wait, I thought the Veloster N diff was a mechanical locking diff, with electronicly controlled lockup force?  Is that what you mean by pseudo diff?  When I hear pseudo diff, I think of the diff in my Veloster R spec, which is the brake-modulation garbage.

From my reading, the way it performance depends on your settings.  To me this implies that a tune for the car could also tune the diff as well, which would be pretty interesting compared with taking things apart to adjust preload, etc.

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
2/5/21 12:08 p.m.

In reply to ProDarwin :

Let me double-check the spec sheet from Hyundai on that. I want to make sure I'm doling out the correct information.

Edit: This is what I dug up:

The N Corner Carving Differential is eLSD (electronic-Limited Slip Differential) system that allows driven wheels to turn at different speeds by applying different amounts of torque depending on the load transfer from the inner to the outer front axle wheel.

Also, the spec sheet refers to the diff as "Electronic LSD (Hydraulic)," with "Torque Vectoring Control (TVC)."

trucke
trucke SuperDork
2/5/21 12:35 p.m.

I have only driven a Veloster N (PP) for one autocross run.  I found it easy to drive quickly and turn in was nice and crisp.  More so than I expected.  It is easy to quickly power out of turns.  It is a pretty cool car!  I was impressed!  

However, I much prefer my Civic Type R.  The seating position in the Type R is more natural than the Veloster.  CTR ride is great in Comfort mode.  The CTR chassis feels stiffer with all the seam bonding applied to it.  There are reasons the CTR costs more.

Both are good values!  I was blessed to get my hands on a CTR below MSRP right before Covid hit.  Wife got it for me as a Valentine's Day present!  We bought it on Valentine's Day last year.  With two teenage daughters, the three doors of the Veloster would create more unneeded drama in my household.  They are already planning which one gets the CTR.  LOL!  Not likely!

Now, maybe they would like a Veloster N!

 

  

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
2/5/21 12:47 p.m.
trucke said:

Wife got it for me as a Valentine's Day present! 

I just informed my wife that I would also like a Type R for Valentine's day.

 

spacecadet (Forum Supporter)
spacecadet (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
2/5/21 12:55 p.m.

So ProDarwin is right, I sat through all the launch stuff for this car.

it's an electronically controlled REAL diff, just like the GTi

vs the focus/Fiesta ST e diff tugging on the brakes.

the Civic just has a simple mechanical diff.

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
2/5/21 1:01 p.m.

I watched the video last night. remarkable how similar the two cars are around the track!

Driver confidence however, is an underrated performance advantage.

iceracer
iceracer MegaDork
2/5/21 1:15 p.m.

Liked all the pictures of the wheel going around

Olemiss540
Olemiss540 HalfDork
2/5/21 2:01 p.m.

All I know is the CTR is seriously quick around a track based on my getting repeatedly passed by one. 

Screw that guy.

CyberEric
CyberEric Dork
2/5/21 2:17 p.m.

In reply to spacecadet (Forum Supporter) :

Thanks for the clarification, I often feel confused by what is meant by the e-diff wording.

goingnowherefast
goingnowherefast Reader
2/6/21 1:33 a.m.
Colin Wood said:

In my observations, the Civic seems to be more serious when it comes to performance. Not that it's better at it, but that it uses a real limited-slip differential instead of the Veloster's pseudo-diff, and it has fewer "gimmicks" like the Veloster's crackle-and-pop exhaust and overboost functions.

At the end of the day, though, you can't really go wrong with either.

This is not correct FYI. The Veloster N (PP or 21+) uses a electronically controlled *mechanical* differential, just like the CTR and MK7 GTI PP. Where are you getting your sources? You may want to get new ones...

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