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May 15, 2010 11:43 a.m. mpm None

I'm considering purchasing a really used up legends car as an autocross project. It will need a complete disassembly and inspection and would likely get the frame repainted and eventual new body work. It has pretty much everything except the engine and the front fenders. I've searched and found all the usual sites but couldn't find anything on swapping a water cooled engine of some other make.

Anybody have any information, links or whatever for me? Greatly appreciated.

Also wondering if there are any other bodys available besides the obvious legends ones.
May 15, 2010 12:55 p.m. minimac SuperDork

Just throwing this out there.....Suzuki V-4, 1400 from an old Cavalcade or an old 4 from an early Goldwing. Both are relatively cheap and plentiful, and should run like stink, even in stock tune. As a plus, both were shaft drive.
May 15, 2010 1:00 p.m. 96DXCivic Dork

Are the legends cars shaft drive or chain drive?
May 15, 2010 1:59 p.m. motomoron Reader

Hayabusa.

Go big!
May 15, 2010 2:19 p.m. barnca Reader

96DXCivic wrote:

Are the legends cars shaft drive or chain drive?

shaft drive
May 15, 2010 2:51 p.m. Woody SuperDork

I'd be all over that.
May 15, 2010 6:23 p.m. stroker Reader

minimac wrote:

Just throwing this out there.....Suzuki V-4, 1400 from an old Cavalcade or an old 4 from an early Goldwing. Both are relatively cheap and plentiful, and should run like stink, even in stock tune. As a plus, both were shaft drive.

V-Max!
May 15, 2010 6:51 p.m. 4g63t Reader

VMax, don't want to do second gear. Same with an FJ1200. I got REAL good at both.

ZRX 1200 Kawasaki is the ticket. Perhaps a ZX14.
May 15, 2010 9:49 p.m. mpm New Reader

Thanks for the quick response guys. I like the idea of the V4 engine but a 4 cylinder will be much easier to install with the driveshaft being offset to the right side of the chassis. I've got a local store that sells wrecked motorcycles on ebay. I could get one of those and reuse many of the parts. I'm going to check them out next week and take my camera and a tape measure.
May 15, 2010 10:26 p.m. StevenFV19 New Reader

get a Yamaha R1 engine. Really cheap, fast, and last forever. a couple guys at Summit Point race Baby Grands with R1's in them. They are crazy fast. I can get their info if you want it.

Steven
May 15, 2010 10:32 p.m. JoeyM HalfDork

mpm wrote: I've got a local store that sells wrecked motorcycles on ebay.
Oohh! That's like a candy store. Willing to share a link/name for them? Someday, I want to build one of these:

...and will need a bike engine to do it.
May 15, 2010 11:30 p.m. mpm New Reader

JoeyM wrote:

mpm wrote: I've got a local store that sells wrecked motorcycles on ebay.
Oohh! That's like a candy store. Willing to share a link/name for them? Someday, I want to build one of these:

...and will need a bike engine to do it.

I'll find out their ebay store name for you. They are located in Oxford Alabama and I believe they go by Cycle Sports
May 16, 2010 1:03 a.m. Streetwiseguy Reader

Any consideration to running it in legal legends form? There are buckets of them around, with more buckets of places to race them, either circle track or roadrace. I have not raced one, but every time I watch them run here, I get the itch and start checking ebay.
May 16, 2010 3:27 p.m. plance1 HalfDork

I went on a test drive of a legends car once, it was $50 bucks well spent, I was having so much fun they had to send the wrecker out to get me to notice that they were motioning me back to the pits.
May 17, 2010 7:42 p.m. mpm New Reader

Streetwiseguy wrote:

Any consideration to running it in legal legends form? There are buckets of them around, with more buckets of places to race them, either circle track or roadrace. I have not raced one, but every time I watch them run here, I get the itch and start checking ebay.

No interst in LTO(I don't do nascrap) on dirt or asphault. Its just an opportunity to purchase one at a good price and have some fun rebuilding it. Then have some fun autocrossing it and figuring out the setup requirements. Far off plans might be to have a slow AMod car.
May 18, 2010 6:28 a.m. 44Dwarf HalfDork

Water cooled 2002 and up GSXR fit. A club i helped start uses 2002-2003 600cc stock motors. There are several guys using them in converted old legends cars.
Dobt you'll get any help form them...Politics drove me back to the big motor group...and hauling 210 miles each way to the track instead of touring within 75 miles of home...

I saw a post on www.dwarfcarracing.com was that yours? I didn't reply as it was allready covered by another poster.

44Dwarf
May 18, 2010 6:34 a.m. Luke SuperDork

JoeyM wrote:

mpm wrote: I've got a local store that sells wrecked motorcycles on ebay.
Oohh! That's like a candy store. Willing to share a link/name for them? Someday, I want to build one of these:

...and will need a bike engine to do it.

After you've built that, you'll also need to buy these: http://www.robertopiecollection.com/Application/Products/plan2GB.asp?scpl2=PEDC-HG...
May 18, 2010 7:37 p.m. mpm New Reader

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After you've built that, you'll also need to buy these: http://www.robertopiecollection.com/Application/Products/plan2GB.asp?scpl2=PEDC-HG...

Sweet! I'll look like Alan DeCadinet(sp>)
May 19, 2010 8:14 p.m. mpm New Reader

I"ve found out something about the car. It's not a legends car. I believe it was originally built in Phoenix, AZ by the dwarf car company. Most likely had a Suzuki engine. Depending on the year it could have been one of the older engines that had air/oil cooling. I'm in touch with the company to see if there are any identifying numbers or features of their car to help me verify what it is. Looks like a 34 Ford Coupe body. Not your normal visiter to an autocross.

The current owners finally put a price on the car and its in my ball park. I'm getting excited about this.

Pics fridayish.
May 19, 2010 8:18 p.m. barnca Reader

44Dwarf wrote:

Water cooled 2002 and up GSXR fit. A club i helped start uses 2002-2003 600cc stock motors. There are several guys using them in converted old legends cars.
Dobt you'll get any help form them...Politics drove me back to the big motor group...and hauling 210 miles each way to the track instead of touring within 75 miles of home...

I saw a post on www.dwarfcarracing.com was that yours? I didn't reply as it was allready covered by another poster.

44Dwarf

u runnin at groveton?
May 19, 2010 8:52 p.m. JoeyM HalfDork

Luke wrote:

After you've built that, you'll also need to buy these: http://www.robertopiecollection.com/Application/Products/plan2GB.asp?scpl2=PEDC-HG...

Ohh, those are cool!
May 20, 2010 6:03 a.m. 44Dwarf HalfDork

u runnin at groveton?

Yes I am. You been there? Riverside is under new GM and WOW they've putt some $$ in to the track! Not just paint but cut trees down added run off roads, new tire walls, new food stands, New beer garden. New grand stands. I'll be there sat.

44
May 20, 2010 7:17 a.m. barnca Reader

never been there its about a 3hr drive for me. friends of mine have raced there. so you must know skip trudea? hes a good friend of mine. i usually goto monadnock i work on a modified and pro stock.
May 20, 2010 11:40 a.m. 44Dwarf HalfDork

Ya I know Skippy, used to race in both clubs with him. Monadnocks about 20 miles from my house but i've been adicted to Dwarfs for over 15 years 3 as parts supplyer and tuner and 12 driving.

I hear they've got new modifed class at monadnock. but not gone over yet.
May 21, 2010 9:38 p.m. barnca Reader

i work on a tour type mod that runs at monadnock.. and skip is a good friend of mine.

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