most that i have come across need to be bolted in and resemble the following image;
i am searching for a hub that will work with a spindle(?) type setup like the following image;
some of the miata ones i have seen look the part but i was hoping some qualified people could give me a definitive answer.
i am specifically looking for a 4x100 solution. i believe the e30 bmw has what i am looking for but may use a little to small of a wheel bearing for what i am willing to do.
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Aug. 27, 2011 10:32 a.m. logicfactory New Reader
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Aug. 27, 2011 10:38 a.m. mad_machine SuperDork
the top one looks like a FWD hub.
I know the Fiat 124 has a spindle.. but it is 4x98
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Aug. 27, 2011 10:53 a.m. pres589 Dork
Probably a number of japanese rwd imports from the 60's to 80's use the style of spindle you're looking for with the bolt pattern you want.
What about Ford Fox parts? Bolt pattern is different but parts are cheap and wheels are common, etc etc.
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Aug. 27, 2011 11:02 a.m. SkinnyG HalfDork
Chevettes are allegedly 4x100. I run Chevette spindles on my Locost, but with Datsun 210 hubs to get me 4x114.3 (thanks 44Dwarf!)
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Aug. 27, 2011 12:14 p.m. Chas_H New Reader
The hub is the easy part-what spindle are you using?
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Aug. 27, 2011 12:22 p.m. logicfactory New Reader
i will be using either the non m or m e36 spindle; from my understanding only difference being the spacing on the caliper mounting points.
if the shaft that the hubs mounts on is solid my initial thought is to just turn it down to the corresponding hubs i.d.
at this time, i do not have the shafts o.d. to compare to hubs.
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Aug. 27, 2011 12:28 p.m. mad_machine SuperDork
if you go with the M.. you can run the bigger M brakes or the 4 pot brakes from the 850
Non-M, you can run the larger brakes off of the E46 330i
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Aug. 27, 2011 12:42 p.m. Chas_H New Reader
An NA/B Miata hub will likely do. If you are mixing and matching parts, there's no reason not consider a Miata spindle. BMW brakes are gonna need work to mount on anything other than the hub they came from.
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Aug. 27, 2011 1:50 p.m. 44Dwarf Dork
SkinnyG wrote:
Chevettes are allegedly 4x100. I run Chevette spindles on my Locost, but with Datsun 210 hubs to get me 4x114.3 (thanks 44Dwarf!)
Your Welcome! and thank you last thing i need is parts clogging up the house..
And yes chevettes are 4x100mm that what i run on the dwarf.
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Aug. 27, 2011 3:23 p.m. shuttlepilot Reader
the rear axle of a VW golf has a bolt on spindle. Your only tough part is the hub is integrated into the disc.
http://www.germanautoparts.com/Volkswagen/Golf/Drivetrain/200/7
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Aug. 27, 2011 3:57 p.m. fast_eddie_72 Dork
SkinnyG wrote:
Chevettes are allegedly 4x100. I run Chevette spindles on my Locost, but with Datsun 210 hubs to get me 4x114.3 (thanks 44Dwarf!)
That's the answer I had. Back a few years ago I convinced myself that I could find time to build a Locost. Of course, I don't. But I did research a few things and that's what I came up with. If I did have time, I'd love to do a true low cost using a rusty Chevette as a donor.
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Aug. 27, 2011 4:01 p.m. KATYB HalfDork
rear hub from a last gen prelude.
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Aug. 27, 2011 8:05 p.m. novaderrik Dork
Vega/Monza
Pinto and Fox Mustang are also 4 lug and have that style of hub, but i don't know the bolt circle right off hand.
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Aug. 27, 2011 8:30 p.m. logicfactory New Reader
thank you for the responses thus far. i have lots of research to do. i already plan on doing custom rotor and calipers so that part will not limit my options for hubs. i just have to look at how/if i can machine down my spindles to see what i.d. of the hubs i can play with.
thank you again for the responses. as i get more information i will share with the community.
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Aug. 27, 2011 8:33 p.m. Chas_H New Reader
Good luck, here's some information that might help- http://www.ntn.co.jp/english/products/pdf/hub/pdf/HubBearing.pdf
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Aug. 27, 2011 9:27 p.m. Woody SuperDork
Lots of speculation here but maybe Fiero spindles and Chevette hubs might work together.
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Aug. 27, 2011 9:49 p.m. motomoron HalfDork
Bimmerworld has been blowing out new e36 M3 front spindles for $35 for ages. They have too many evidently, and will run out 15 minutes before I decide to finally order a pair.
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Aug. 28, 2011 1:33 a.m. novaderrik Dork
it shouldn't be too hard to figure out something that will work- there are only a few different inner and outer bearing part numbers and you can find the spec for the i.d. and o.d of the bearings and the o.d. of the different bearing races to figure out what bearings you can use. i used to have a printout of all the different specs that i found on some website many years ago, but it's long gone..
anyways, you can take the bearing info and look up different brake rotors/hubs to find a combination of a hub and bearings to use with whatever spindle you wind up with. i used to have a parts list for putting the HD rotors (12"x 1.25" thick with a 5X5 bolt pattern) from an early 80's 1/2 ton 2wd GM pickup onto a Vega/Monza spindle..
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Aug. 28, 2011 2:08 a.m. Rocco R16V New Reader
novaderrik wrote: Pinto and Fox Mustang are also 4 lug and have that style of hub, but i don't know the bolt circle right off hand.
4x108Woody wrote: Lots of speculation here but maybe Fiero spindles and Chevette hubs might work together.
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Aug. 28, 2011 7:30 a.m. Jay_W Dork
IIRC, Mistubishi galant/vr4. But only iirc, which is happening less frequently these days...
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Aug. 28, 2011 10:00 a.m. 44Dwarf Dork
Woody wrote:
Woody is corect they do interchange How ever the stub height on some years fiero's is lower (factory drop spindel if used on vette) rotor / hubs are diffent 4 lug and 5 lug but bearings are same.Lots of speculation here but maybe Fiero spindles and Chevette hubs might work together.
Hawk Macine out of NY makes caliper adapters to put wilwood brakes on the chevette spindel (bolt on alum adapters).
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Aug. 28, 2011 2:37 p.m. oldopelguy Dork
The Chevette, Fiero, and Opel hubs all use the same bearings and can mount to each other's spindles or the bolt on spindles from the rear of a Festiva.
Which lets you put Chevette front discs on the rear of your Festiva when you swap the front out with Aspire parts for a matching bolt pattern 4-wheel disc set-up...
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Aug. 28, 2011 9:39 p.m. mr2peak Reader
Toyota MR2 might work. But again small wheel bearings.
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Aug. 29, 2011 2:06 p.m. turboswede SuperDork
Porsche 924, but it is 4x108 pattern. Seem to hold up to road race abuse, since it isn't much different than the 5-lug 944 hubs.
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Aug. 29, 2011 5:12 p.m. Chas_H New Reader
mr2peak wrote:
Toyota MR2 might work. But again small wheel bearings.
It will be quite difficult, perhaps impossible, to find a 4 stud hub with overly large bearings.
