I think of trading my 996 for an UrQ. I love that sound and look but the 996 is 10xs more reliable.
I'm thinking of buying and renovating a pub so... I'm probably not quite right.
In your case, both are VaG so it's only crazy to think they are somehow not going break your heart either way. Get the one that makes you happy looking at it in case it won't run :)
10v or 20v head? 10v is quite reliable. Parts availability stateside is the biggest concern that I'd have, but Tim M. should be able to help with sources regarding that.
If it was just looks, my entire garage would be full of Italian and Jag products. And, of course, it'd have to be a big garage so I'd have at least 1 working at any given moment. In reality, my 996 has been extremely reliable. Oh, and my 996 is my DD.
captdownshift wrote: 10v or 20v head? 10v is quite reliable. Parts availability stateside is the biggest concern that I'd have, but Tim M. should be able to help with sources regarding that.
I'd do an aan or 3b engine mod and update the fuse panel.
Although, in all honesty, an Audi S2 has very high drool factor. As to collectability, the 996 will see values rise. It's a much better car than it's given credit for.
In reply to markwemple:
Like the NC miata, the 996 is a good car, but the NC is a bad miata the 996 is a bad 911 itineration.
captdownshift wrote: In reply to markwemple: Like the NC miata, the 996 is a good car, but the NC is a bad miata the 996 is a bad 911 itineration.
As I've previously said, having owned 901s since 85, I disagree! I might have agreed previously, bout DDing one for 6.5 years, she is very much a Porsche. Unless you are a true purist. Then I'd say the last reall 911 was 1976 and the 964 and 993s are abominations. The 964 and 993s are, in fact, my least favorite, followed by the 991.
I love 964s, as the values of early SWB cars increase to the point that the ability and opportunity to drive them in anger decreases, my love of the 964 increases even more. I've never been huge on 993s, they're impressive but not quite as viseral to me as the early cars, it's not that they are numb or disconnected, it's that they're more frantic feeling as they approach the limit. We can disagree on the 991, I'm impressed that in spite of the car having evolved into a luxury car and being saddled with modern electric safety elements, both electronic and non, that it still retains a feel and dynamic that though not as viseral and connected as earlier cars, still has the feel of a 911. Where other modern performance GTs feel more and more like a Nissan Altima below 80mph.
Well, you're in the right spot! Welcome to GRM where "being not right in the head" in the automotive sense is a big plus.
That said, why not put a 20V in a 944 for the best (worst) of both worlds?
(Hint: the 924 used an Audi motor that shares a bellhousing with the 5-cylinder and the 944 uses a bellhousing that bolts to the Torque Tube in the same fashion as the 924)
https://youtu.be/I27WmAwNWNI
Also, there was a version of the 20Vt that Porsche helped with, called the ADU that even has a Porsche branded intake manifold!
964s are far from visceral. They are slow by modern standards, maintenance heavy, antiquated, and visually pigs. 993 is better looking but otherwise a 964 with more rediculous over complications. German thinking. The 996 was a clean slate. It's much better in every way over a 993, and but for looks, would have been received better. Which I don’t understand as the 911 was never a great looking car. Just a great driver's car.
The RS2 us the closest thing to a true Porsche/Audi hybrid and a wagon to boot. Has that enhanced aan engine with the Porsche manifold, which is almost the same as a eurovan manifold, BTW.
In reply to markwemple:
Sure, if you want to buy, instead of build.
Both styles are reflected on this site, with the majority leaning more towards the latter.
Stephan, Ive actually given that some thought. Although part of me would be insane enough to try and make it a quatro too. Just imagine a 500bhp quattro 944. Yummm
markwemple wrote: 964s are far from visceral. They are slow by modern standards, maintenance heavy, antiquated, and visually pigs. 993 is better looking but otherwise a 964 with more rediculous over complications. German thinking. The 996 was a clean slate. It's much better in every way over a 993, and but for looks, would have been received better. Which I don’t understand as the 911 was never a great looking car. Just a great driver's car.
The 996 was a mistake corrected very late by the 997. It was the first 911 that wasn't track ready out of the showroom. If they didn't make the GT3 the whole generation would have been utterly forgettable.
The 964 was and awesome leap from the '88 and no more maintenance intensive than any other AC 911. The parts were just way more expensive and some of them were unobtainable at any price.
The 993 is only pretty to people who didn't like 911s in the first place.
You cannot be a 996 fan, thinking of a UrQ and drop E36 M3 of any sort on the Germans for their thinking unless you are not quite right.
Have you ever owned an early 911 and a 964 or worked on a 964. Sorry, but you're wrong. And an x51 oil pan works wonders for track use. Plus, the 996 is worlds more track ready than a 944. Thats pure fact as well, having owned and tracked both.
markwemple wrote: Have you ever owned an early 911 and a 964 or worked on a 964. Sorry, but you're wrong. And an x51 oil pan works wonders for track use. Plus, the 996 is worlds more track ready than a 944. Thats pure fact as well, having owned and tracked both.
Yes. I have owned both a 3.0 and a 964 and tracked both. There is nothing more or less difficult about working on them. Just paying for the parts. Both are a pain in the arse until you realize it's easier to take the motor out than it is to work around the body.
THe 996 stock suspension was a travesty of soft vague nonsense. Plus the 6 ton flywheel... It's pig on a racetrack. It's all fixable and if you aren't ever going to the track... well... it's a fine DD. But so was a 964/993.
No one was talking about 944s. THe best thing to ever happen to them was the LS swap.
markwemple wrote: Although part of me would be insane enough to try and make it a quatro too. Just imagine a 500bhp quattro 944. Yummm
That would be a petrolicious level of legendary build. You know what you have to do now.
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