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spear322 New Reader
9/12/18 12:54 p.m.

In reply to Old_Town :

Going to go look up GLIs now...thanks



spear322 New Reader
9/12/18 12:56 p.m.

In reply to Curtis :

I love the XJR, I am just curious how expensive to maintain and insure.  

BoxheadTim MegaDork
9/12/18 1:09 p.m.

It's a Jaguar, it'll have its paws in your wallet.

spear322 New Reader
9/12/18 1:21 p.m.

In reply to BoxheadTim :

Quote of the day!

jstein77 UltraDork
9/12/18 1:25 p.m.

Sleepers - I love sleepers.  My old Sentra was a serious sleeper.  300 Hp engine in a 100 hp body.

CobraSpdRH Reader
9/12/18 2:10 p.m.

So power, comfort, $20k and sleeper:

  • Acura TL (last gen before TLX) - Sweet J35 or J37 engine, under budget, pretty quick
  • Regal GS as said above - not quite as fast, but depreciated really hard so you get a lot for your $
  • CTS V-Sport - only if you stretched your budget another 5-7k, but 420 hp TT V6, mag ride, looks great
  • Charger RT (2015+) - These are just coming down to right around 20k, hemi, good ZF trans
  • Genesis 5.0 (2015/2016) or R-Spec (2012-2014)
  • Infiniti Q40 - rebadged G37 right before the Q50 came out, well under budget, genuinely quick

Can you tell I am shopping similar requirements? I have some slower MT cars in the mix, as I can't decide between faster GT car or more fun MT car...

spear322 New Reader
9/12/18 2:44 p.m.

In reply to CobraSpdRH :

I want a manual trans but wife can't dive it.  So, to compensate I want the power and comfort.  There are way to many fun cars in this price range.  I am looking at all of the ones you mentioned, my wife does not like the Charger, otherwise it would be in my driveway.  I had  Ram with a Hemi and it was a lot of fun.  I thought the Q40 came with a smaller engine, I will have to look at those as well.

The Genesis have peaked my interest, I am trying to find one to drive.


spear322 New Reader
9/12/18 2:45 p.m.

Thanks for all the replies!!!!!yes

I hope to pick something over the weekend if I can test drive everything.

mtn MegaDork
9/12/18 2:59 p.m.

I'd add in a Lexus GS of just about any variety.

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
9/12/18 3:30 p.m.

Might be hard to find one that meets the mileage requirement, but a V1 would be well under your budget.

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
9/12/18 3:33 p.m.
Robbie PowerDork
9/12/18 3:54 p.m.

What about the Lincoln version of the taurus sho?

MKS I think?

barefootskater HalfDork
9/12/18 3:59 p.m.

Too lazy to read if anyone said Hyundai Equus yet. Like the genesis but with more powers and creature comforts IIRC. A buddy has one, looks fairly menacing in black but sitting in the rear power reclining seats and having 400hp unleashed is pretty sweet. His is 5 years old I think and cost $16k-ish at the local hyundai dealer. 

dj Reader
9/12/18 4:00 p.m.

Lexus ISF without the badging is a pretty solid, fun sleeper. For $20k you are definitely on the low end and will be pushing your mileage requirement. I think I saw a black ISF on eBay for $20k. Most are $25k.

G_Body_Man UltraDork
9/12/18 6:56 p.m.

Mercedes E55 with an intercooler pump, supercharger pulley, tune and de-badge. Look like any other businessperson, gaptize Hellcats

captdownshift PowerDork
9/12/18 7:00 p.m.

W12 Pheaton 

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
9/12/18 7:19 p.m.


This is my new favorite word. Thank you.

loosecannon Dork
9/12/18 7:28 p.m.

Got your car right here, checks all the boxes

2014 Chevrolet SS

Jay_W Dork
9/12/18 10:17 p.m.

I 2nd the E55..

simplecat Reader
9/12/18 11:24 p.m.
captdownshift said:

W12 Pheaton 

Maintenance on this would make a jag look super cheap, assuming you could find anyone who knew how to work on one.

akylekoz Dork
9/13/18 5:32 a.m.

FX50 Motorsport version of the Nissan VK motor.

yupididit UltraDork
9/13/18 6:21 a.m.
Curtis said:

x350 Jag isn't exactly new used, but get the nicest, newest XJR and it tips your boxes.  Maybe not quite as much sleeper since it's flashy.  Get the Super V8 for less flash (basically a Vanden Plas with the XJR bits)



These do look pretty pedestrian for 400hp. 

But, the x350 isn't the latest xjr. I believe the x351 is. Goes to show how obscure it is or how bad jaguar markets it. Hardly anyone knows about the x351 xjr. It lives in the shadow of the F-type R.

2016 XJR Review

yupididit UltraDork
9/13/18 6:30 a.m.

AMG is my choice here.


Or get the e550, the one's with the bi-turbo v8. 408hp non-AMG sleeper. There's tons of tunes from mild to wild for them too!


There's also the bmw 550i twin turbo v8. They can be tuned as well and they're m5 impersonator. Oh they also can be had with 3 pedals!


yupididit UltraDork
9/13/18 6:45 a.m.

Oh and there's also the Jaguar XFR. 5liter supercharged v8. Sounds wiked too!


spear322 New Reader
9/13/18 7:03 a.m.

In reply to poopshovel again :

LOL.  I just moved from NJ to Tennessee.  I will need to talk my wife into allowing me to get a higher mileage car.  She thinks that all cars, no matter the maintenance, fall apart at 100k miles.  

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