maschinenbau (I live here)
maschinenbau (I live here) SuperDork
6/26/20 12:30 p.m.

I am looking seriously at a silly bike a co-worker has in his barn. I can't seem to find much more about it, other than it apparently drove into this barn in the 90's.

Anything else I should know?

Know that you should go get it. That'll clean up nice.

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter)
BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/26/20 4:48 p.m.

In reply to maschinenbau (I live here) :

Find out what's missing and if the parts are still available, go get it.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
6/26/20 4:59 p.m.

That bike is one of the great ones that led the transition from heavy four stroke British bikes to light and stupid fast two strokes offroad. They're neat. 

Peabody
Peabody UltimaDork
6/26/20 5:12 p.m.

Not really.

That's an MT250, a pretty tame and fairly lame 2 stroke dual sport.  They were really nothing special even in the mid 70's when they came out. A Canam TNT 250 would walk all over it.

In reply to Peabody :

I'd good naturedly argue that any Elsinore is a very significant bike. Sure, plenty of bikes were made that could walk all over it, but this was a definite peak in motorcycle evolution.

 

Furious_E (Forum Supporter)
Furious_E (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
6/29/20 3:36 p.m.

Kinda agree with Peabody here. Unlike their much cooler CRxxx brothers, the MTs were kind of turds when new and dual sport technology has come a long way since the early 70s. 

I had (actually still have, I think it's sitting in a shed on my parents' rental property) that bike's little brother, an MT125. I was an overly ambitious teenager when I assembled the thing out of three basket case parts bikes only to watch it run for a grand total of about 30 seconds and then die and refuse to ever start again. My meager skills at the time could never figure out what the issue was, although in hindsight I think the timing was probably just off. At that point, I took stock of what I had into it and what it still needed and decided further expenditure of time and money was unwarranted, but I did learn a hell of a lot. 

From what I recall, there isn't much repop stuff available at all unless it's something shared with the CRs, and production numbers were pretty low to begin with so even used parts are hard to come by. They don't make much power at all since they're just piston port 2 strokes with no reed valve or anything, although CR parts should swap right over for hotter porting, better carb, expansion chambers, ect. The problem is those parts aren't cheap and then the gearing won't match, at all. 

That being said, the example above looks really complete and for the right price I'd drag it home. Just be realistic about what it is and can be and set your expectations appropriately. 

stuart in mn
stuart in mn MegaDork
6/29/20 4:41 p.m.

I'd go for it.  It may not be as significant as the pure motocross Elsinores, it's still a cool and somewhat collectible bike (and a fairly rare example of a Honda with a two stroke engine.)  I don't recall if the CR had an aluminum tank or a steel one.

Cooter
Cooter UberDork
6/29/20 6:53 p.m.

If it is solid, fairly complete, and the tank is still good, grab it. 

 

The MT and MR series Elsinores don't carry the prices of the CR, but they are still collectible.  

If you don't want it, let me know. I still miss my old MT125. 

Ethnic Food-Wrap Aficionado
Ethnic Food-Wrap Aficionado Dork
6/29/20 7:08 p.m.

I had one of these for a summer and, while fun, it was kind of a gutless turd.  I'm not sure there's much parts commonality between the MT and CR Elsinores (I believe there is between the MR and CR, though).  The MT is a mild steel frame, steel tank pig, probably in the 265lb and 18hp range.

 

 

I'm not in any way saying that it won't be fun to tool around on, but it's not going to rip third gear wheelies on the pipe like a CR Elsinore would.

 

RichardNZ
RichardNZ New Reader
7/1/20 8:41 p.m.
Ethnic Food-Wrap Aficionado said:

I had one of these for a summer and, while fun, it was kind of a gutless turd.  I'm not sure there's much parts commonality between the MT and CR Elsinores (I believe there is between the MR and CR, though).  The MT is a mild steel frame, steel tank pig, probably in the 265lb and 18hp range.

 

 

I'm not in any way saying that it won't be fun to tool around on, but it's not going to rip third gear wheelies on the pipe like a CR Elsinore would.

 

What he said ... we used to joke that the MT was the state of the horsepower vault when the Honda engineers went looking. Nice project bike but personally not my cup of tea - now a nice SL125 "turtle chaser" would be a different story!

RichardNZ
RichardNZ New Reader
7/1/20 8:48 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

Agree to disagree... the great (street legal)  transition bikes were the DT1 Yamaha, TS185 and 250 Suzukis and  SL100 and SL125 Hondas. There were some specialized  bit players but they were the mass market Brit killers...

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